How Does Dynamic Pressure Change Along an Air Supply Duct?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of dynamic pressure in an air supply duct, particularly after a fan. Participants explore how dynamic pressure changes along the duct, considering factors such as static pressure, velocity, and mass flow, while addressing the implications of energy conversion within the system.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that static pressure is maximal directly after the fan blades and decreases to zero at the duct outlet, while volume flow is minimal after the blades and maximal at the outlet.
  • Another participant questions the behavior of dynamic pressure, suggesting it should be maximal at the outlet due to increased velocity, referencing kinetic energy principles.
  • A participant provides a formula for dynamic pressure, indicating that at the outlet, static pressure is zero, leading to a significant increase in dynamic pressure due to the Mach number.
  • It is mentioned that as air flows along the duct, pressure drops, density decreases, and velocity increases, which contributes to an increase in dynamic pressure despite a decrease in density.
  • One participant expresses confusion about why dynamic pressure is lower at the fan blades compared to the outlet, despite the same mass of air moving faster, and raises questions about the effects of heating and cooling on the system.
  • Another participant reiterates the idea that dynamic pressure is highest at the fan blades and is converted to static pressure in the diffuser.
  • A later reply acknowledges that there may be more complex processes occurring within the fan that influence these dynamics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of dynamic pressure along the duct, with some suggesting it increases towards the outlet while others question this assertion based on their understanding of the system dynamics. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of dynamic pressure changes and the influence of energy conversion.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various principles and formulas related to fluid dynamics, but there are unresolved assumptions about the ideal conditions and the complexity of processes within the fan that may affect the outcomes discussed.

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In an air supply duct after the fan

static pressure is maximal directly after the blades and is zero at the duct outlet,
volume flow is minimal after the blades, maximal at the outlet.
mass flow is equal at all points,
speed of air constituents is minimal after the blades (where air is being compressed) and is maximal at outlet (the air being expanded, that is, pushed out).

But what about the dynamic pressure ?

It seems - according to kinetic energy = 1/2 MV square - it should be maximal at the outlet, as the same mass is moving faster?
 
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Am I correct ?
 
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The formula from Wikipedia :

dynamic pressure

q = \tfrac12\, \gamma\, p_{s}\, M^{2},

where (using SI units):

p_{s}\; = static pressure in pascals,
M\; = Mach number (non-dimensional),
\gamma\; = ratio of specific heats (non-dimensional) (1.4 for air at sea level conditions),

It is becoming clear now: at the outlet there is zero static pressure and only the Mach number left : increase in the dynamic pressure dramatic.
 
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As you flow along the duct:

pressure drops => density decreases => velocity increases => volumetric flow increases

Which is what you mentioned.

The dynamic pressure increases since:

P-dynamic = (1/2) density X velocity^2

Although the density is dropping, the velocity is squared so is more significant.

Also, in an ideal case: P-static + P-dynamic = constant. So at the end of the duct (in an ideal case) the static pressure is low and the dynamic has increased.
 
Speed of air particles at fan blades should be maximal in the system. The system takes in for instance 1 kg/sec of air and throws out the same 1kg/sec from the outlet (supposing no losses to outside in the duct). Strangely why the same mass moving faster at the fan blades is said to have less dynamic pressure than it has at the outlet.
Air also should heat up, then cool down, how does this conversion of energy influence the system?
 
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Speed of air particles at fan blades should be maximal in the system. The system takes in for instance 1 kg/sec of air and throws out the same 1kg/sec from the outlet (supposing no losses to outside in the duct). Strangely why the same mass moving faster at the fan blades is said to have less dynamic pressure than it has at the outlet.
Air also should heat up, then cool down, how does this conversion of energy influence the system?
I was just looking at the ducting after the fan. In the fan, the dynamic pressure is highest in the blades and then converted to static pressure in the diffuser.
 
Yes, there should be more complex processes within the fan.
 

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