Dynamics midterm coming up don't understand pulley questions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding a pulley problem related to an elevator's dynamics, specifically how to determine the speed of the elevator given the motor's cable-drawing speed. Participants are seeking clarification on how to interpret the distances involved in the problem as presented in a textbook.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for help in determining the distances related to the elevator problem, specifically how to calculate the speed based on the motor's cable-drawing speed.
  • Another participant notes that the motors at points B and C make it difficult to measure the distance to the end of the cable, suggesting that the book uses an arbitrary point on each cable for measurement.
  • A later reply emphasizes that the chosen height in the book is arbitrary and does not affect the outcome, as it only adds a constant that cancels out in the equations.
  • One participant suggests that the rate of change of the height marked on the cable is what matters, indicating that the specific points where the cables are "cut" can be considered flexible in the calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the specific distances chosen in the problem are arbitrary and do not affect the final calculations, but there is no consensus on how to approach the problem or the implications of these arbitrary choices.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the potential confusion regarding the arbitrary nature of the chosen measurement points and how this impacts the understanding of the problem, but does not resolve the mathematical steps needed to find the elevator's speed.

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Determine the speed of the elevator if each
motor draws in the cable with a constant speed of 5 m>s.

Here is a link to the question and diagram. Scroll down to page 154. Its question 12-199.

http://www.mem.odu.edu/~bawab/ME205f/hwk12.pdf

I don't understand how to get the distances. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Hi Faheema! Welcome to PF! :smile:
Faheema Baksh said:
I don't understand how to get the distances.

There are motors at B and C, and the cables are disappearing into the motor mechanism …

so we can't measure the distance to the end of the cable! :redface:

So the book has chosen an arbitrary point on each cable, and measured the height of that instead. :biggrin:
 
Thanks :) but this height that the book has chosen represents what exactly?
 
Nothing!

It's arbitrary! :smile:

Can't you see from the diagram that they've cut each cable at a totally random point? :wink:

(and if they used some other point, that would only add a constant to the equations, which would cancel out in the end)
 
Yes, it's not the length that matters, it's the rate of change of the length. Imagine that the points where they "cut" the cables are really just black lines marked on the rope. You know the rate of change of the height of the black marks is directly given by the motor speeds, so put the marks wherever you want, and proceed.
 

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