Dynamics Problem (Find Angular Velocity)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a dynamics problem focused on finding angular velocity, specifically exploring methods to derive angular velocity as a function of time or angle. Participants discuss various approaches, including energy methods and equations of motion, while also considering the use of elliptic functions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using an energy method, equating potential energy and kinetic energy to solve for angular velocity.
  • Another participant reports success using the energy method and shares their working for closure.
  • A different participant expresses interest in solving the problem using the original approach, indicating that it may involve Jacobi elliptic functions.
  • One participant proposes deriving an equation for angular velocity using an integrating factor, suggesting that this could lead to theta dot as a function of theta.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views on how to approach the problem, with no consensus on the best method. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the effectiveness of the original approach versus the energy method.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the potential complexity of solutions involving Jacobi elliptic functions and the need for clarity on assumptions related to the original approach.

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Hope you can offer me some help with this question - I feel close to getting it myself but have spent ages looking at it now.

Question and working so far is attached.

I think what I need to do to enable me to perform the integral is to get theta as a function of time, or instead somehow convert the integral so I am integrating with respect to theta (with limits 0 and pi/2 ). But I am stuck at this point.

n.b. Angular velocity omega is written as theta_dot in my notation.

Thanks for any help in advance.
 

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Try using an energy method: Potential energy of the cocked spring is equal to gravitational potential energy of the upright rod plus kinetic energy (translational & rotational) of the moving rod.
 
obafgkmrns, thanks.

I've solved the question using your recommended approach , and I've attached the working just for closure.
 

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Although if anyone does know how they would solve it via something like my original route, it would still be useful.
 
You can do it using your original approach of solving the equation of motion, but the solution is in terms of Jacobi elliptic functions. It's just not worth the trouble!

Brief description of elliptic functions here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pendulum_(mathematics ) and here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobi_elliptic_functions
 
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It occurred to me that I may have misunderstood your original approach to solving the problem. If all you need is angular velocity (theta dot), then you can derive an equation for theta dot by using an integrating factor. When you multiply all terms by theta dot, you can integrate the equation explicitly to find theta dot as a function of theta.
 

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