Angular Acceleration and relative velocity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a mechanical problem involving angular acceleration and relative velocity in a kinematic system with multiple links. Participants are tasked with finding the angular velocity and acceleration of link 3, as well as the relative velocity of point B with respect to link 2. The context includes mathematical reasoning and application of kinematic equations.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related, Mathematical reasoning, Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • The initial poster has calculated the angular velocity of link 3 and the velocity of point B but is uncertain about how to find the acceleration components.
  • Some participants suggest analyzing the component of the velocity of point B along link BC to infer information about the perpendicular component of the velocity.
  • There is a discussion on the implications of the constant angular velocity of bar AB, specifically regarding the tangential acceleration being zero.
  • One participant proposes using the law of sines and cosines to derive relationships between angles and distances in the mechanism, leading to calculations for the velocity of point B relative to link 2.
  • Another participant provides a detailed derivation for the velocity of point B and the angular velocity of link 3, noting that their results are close to those of the initial poster.
  • There is mention of differentiating equations to find the angular acceleration of link 3, indicating a method to approach the problem further.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the methods for calculating the angular acceleration of link 3, and there are differing interpretations of the implications of the constant angular velocity of bar AB. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to find the required accelerations.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential misinterpretations of the problem setup and dependencies on specific assumptions regarding the geometry and motion of the links. The discussion reflects various mathematical steps and relationships that are not fully resolved.

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Homework Statement


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In the mechanism shown below, the angular velocity of link 2 is 17 rad/s CW, constant. Find the angular velocity (magnitude and direction) of link 3. The distance between A and C is 109 mm, the length of link 3 is 125 mm, and θ= 111°. Note: B is a pin-slider

In the mechanism shown above, find the relative velocity (magnitude) of point B with regards to link 2.

In the mechanism shown above, find the direction of the relative velocity of point B with regards to link 2. Take the right-hand direction as a reference axis and CCW positive.

In the mechanism shown above, determine the angular acceleration (magnitude and direction) of link 3.

Homework Equations


a3 = a3t + a3n + a rel + a cor
a3t = αr
a3n = ω^2r
a cor = 2ωv

The Attempt at a Solution


So I have done the first 3 parts of the question correctly getting
-7.853rad/s = wab
0.800m/s = Vb
-291deg

I am not sure how to get the acceleration though. I'm not sure how to find the tangential component and the relative acceleration.
Thanks
 
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You have the magnitude and the velocity of point B. If BC is of constant length, what is the component of the velocity of point B along the link BC? What does this tell you about the component of the velocity of point B perpendicular to the link BC?
 
Chestermiller said:
You have the magnitude and the velocity of point B. If BC is of constant length, what is the component of the velocity of point B along the link BC? What does this tell you about the component of the velocity of point B perpendicular to the link BC?
Does it have something to do with the fact that since the angular velocity of bar AB is constant the tangential acceleration of bar AB is 0.
 
Jonski said:
Does it have something to do with the fact that since the angular velocity of bar AB is constant the tangential acceleration of bar AB is 0.
No. Please try to answer my questions. If you have trouble with the first question, I'll tell you the answer.
 
Chestermiller said:
No. Please try to answer my questions. If you have trouble with the first question, I'll tell you the answer.
Wouldn't the velocity perpendicular to BC be equal to:
Vb = Vb' + Vb/b'
Vb = 17(0.0335) + 0.8
Vb = 1.37 m/s
 
I originally misinterpreted this question, so I'm going to start over by first checking your answers. Let ##\alpha## be the angle ABC and ##\phi## be the angle ACB. Using the law of sines, $$\frac{\sin{\alpha}}{109}=\frac{\sin{\theta}}{125}$$
So ##\alpha=54.5## degrees. That means that ##\phi = 180 -111-54.5=14.5## degrees.
Let r equal the distance of point B from point A. Again using the law of sines:
$$\frac{\sin 14.5}{r}=\frac{\sin{\theta}}{125}$$Solving for r yields: ##r=33.53## mm.

The law of cosines tells us that: $$r^2+109^2-2(109)r\cos{\theta}=125^2$$
If we differentiate this equation with respect to time, we obtain: $$2r\frac{dr}{dt}-2(109)\cos{\theta}\frac{dr}{dt}+2(109)r\sin{\theta}\frac{d\theta}{dt}=0$$
Solving for dr/dt yields:
$$\frac{dr}{dt}=-\frac{109r\sin{\theta}}{r-109\cos{\theta}}\frac{d\theta}{dt}=\frac{109r\sin{\theta}}{r-109\cos{\theta}}\omega\tag{1}$$
Substituting our values for r and ##\theta## in this equation yields:$$\frac{dr}{dt}=808\ mm/s$$This is the velocity of point B relative to link 2, and is very close to your answer.

The law of sines tells us that $$\frac{\sin{\phi}}{r}=\frac{\sin{\theta}}{125}$$
Differentiating this equation with respect to time yields:
$$\cos{\phi}\frac{d\phi}{dt}=\frac{\sin{\theta}}{125}\frac{dr}{dt}-\frac{r\cos{\theta}}{125}\omega\tag{2}$$
From this, I get that the angular velocity of link 3 is 7.94 radians per second CW. This is also close to your answer, but not quite.

For the direction of the velocity of B relative to link 2, I get that it is along link 2.

To get the angular acceleration of link 3, I would differentiate Eqns. 1 and 2 with respect to t and combine the results, taking into account that ##d\theta /dt## is constant.
 

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