E field at point from graph of V and x?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the electric field (E field) at a specific point using the relationship between electric potential (V) and position (x) as represented in a graph. Participants explore the mathematical approach to derive the E field from the slope of the V versus x graph, including the use of a sine function to express V(x).

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about calculating the E field, suggesting that it is the negative of the slope of V versus x.
  • Another participant confirms that finding the slope is the correct approach but suggests that the method used to find the slope is inaccurate and proposes expressing V(x) as a sine function.
  • A later reply proposes a specific form for V(x) as 2*sin(0.2*pi*x) and calculates the derivative to find the E field, arriving at a value of 1.26.
  • There is a note about the importance of including proper units in the final answer, although the problem statement did not specify units for V or x.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach of using the slope to find the E field, but there is no consensus on the accuracy of the initial calculations or the necessity of unit specifications.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the form of the potential function and the accuracy of the derivative calculation. There are also unresolved questions regarding the units of measurement for V and x.

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Homework Statement



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Homework Equations



E = -dV/dx ?

The Attempt at a Solution



not really sure how to do this problem. I think I understand E field is negative of slope of V/x, but I'm getting it wrong. just looking at it, I see V=-2 at x=7.5. so the E field to right of x= 5 is y2-y1/x2-x1= 2/2.5 = 0.8. to the left of it I guess it's -0.8 (V/m). I tried both answer but its wrong.
 
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asdf12312 said:

Homework Statement



test.png

Homework Equations



E = -dV/dx ?

The Attempt at a Solution



not really sure how to do this problem. I think I understand E field is negative of slope of V/x, but I'm getting it wrong. just looking at it, I see V=-2 at x=7.5. so the E field to right of x= 5 is y2-y1/x2-x1= 2/2.5 = 0.8. to the left of it I guess it's -0.8 (V/m). I tried both answer but its wrong.

Finding the slope is the correct approach. So in that respect you are on the right track.

But the way in which you are going about finding the slope is too inaccurate. There's a better way.

Can you express V(x) in terms of a sine function? In other words, if

V(x) = A sin(kx),

can you find A and k ?
 
oh yeah, I didn't think of that. V(x) = 2*sin(0.2*pi*x), so I guess I take the derivative of this to find E field? dV/dx = 2*0.2*pi*cos(0.2*pi*x), and at x=5, E=-dV/dx=1.26?
 
asdf12312 said:
oh yeah, I didn't think of that. V(x) = 2*sin(0.2*pi*x), so I guess I take the derivative of this to find E field? dV/dx = 2*0.2*pi*cos(0.2*pi*x), and at x=5, E=-dV/dx=1.26?

That looks correct to me! :)

(Don't forget to include the proper units in the final answer through. [Edit: then again, the problem statement didn't specify the units of V nor x. So nevermind about that, I guess.])
 
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