Earth fault in no earthed system

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around an incident involving an earth fault in a no earthed electrical system at an industrial site. Participants explore the implications of inadequate earthing practices and the resulting dangers associated with electrical faults, particularly focusing on the failure of insulation and the potential for short circuits.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the lack of proper earthing in the system and its consequences, highlighting that engineers underestimated the importance of primary earthing in no earthed systems.
  • Another participant suggests that the failure of insulation could lead to short circuits, indicating a potential cause for the incident.
  • A further contribution outlines a hypothetical scenario where multiple service points in a large plant could lead to dangerous conditions if faults occur in different phases, emphasizing the risks of ungrounded systems.
  • Another participant adds that in non-grounded systems, if one phase conductor connects to earth, the voltage of the other phases relative to earth increases, which could lead to simultaneous earth faults in other phases if insulation is compromised.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views on the causes and implications of the incident, with no consensus reached on a single explanation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact mechanisms and risks involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express various assumptions about the system's configuration and the conditions leading to the fault, but these assumptions are not fully explored or validated within the discussion.

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In one of the industrial site, the no earthed system has been chosen in electrical designing stage. Therefore nobody anticipated a strong Earth fault current in the system.
On the other hand, the primary earthing system was not installed very well and related standards recommendations weren't applied in the erection stage; because the related engineers thought that the primary earthing was not very important in” no earthed systems” and they could ignor its erection in some area.
Many years after start up and operation of plant , some cable insulations were damaged due to no suitable operation conditions. One day a short circuit happened between one old cable and related electromotor casing.
Unlike anybody imagined, a sever short circuit current passed through electrical system and ground surface which could be very dangerous for anybody in site area.


How can you explain the reason of that accident?
 
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This seems like a homework problem.

If so, one should attempt an explanation.


Failure of insulation can account for a short circuit, among other things.
 
Interesting. You do not give a very good explanation of how the system was connected to the supply circuit but here is an example of how an industrial plant could get into trouble. Let's say the plant is very large and has multiple service points. (Service points meaning locations where they have transformers that step down a primary voltage to a lower magnitude secondary voltage and supply power to that portion of the plant.) Assuming that all the service voltages are connected to a three pahse delta connected system, no specific Earth ground or neutral would be needed since under normal conditions, all current flows would return to the wires making up the delta. This does not mean there would be no equipment grounds, just that the system would be considered ungrounded since there is no intended neutral in the service points or wires. Now let's say after many years, that a motor in one part of the plant has a ware spot on one of the three pahse wires that supply power to it. Let's call that phase, Phase A. Let's also assume that the motor in question is 100 yards away from another location we will call location #2. Now at location #2 the same problem develops on another motor similar to our first motor, but on this motor, Phase B shorts to the grounded case of the motor. We now have two grounded conductors from two different phases. If the voltages between the phases is say 480 volts then you now have 480 volts trying to push current through ground system across the 100 yards in the plant.

This of course is only one of a number of possible explanations. Hope this helps.
 
Thank you very much for your good answer.

I can add to your good answer as following:
As you know in non-grounded system, when one of three phase conductors connected to earth, the rms of other phases-earth voltage increase 1.73 time, therefore simultaneously Earth fault on other phases in other places is possible specially when insulation material of electrical equipments are weakened. So in non-earthed systems two phase short circuit fault via Earth path is possible.
 

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