Earth’s Magnetic field formula or downloadable vector field

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation and simulation of Earth's magnetic field, particularly in relation to solar wind interactions. Participants explore whether a formula exists for determining magnetic strength and vector orientation at various distances from Earth or if downloadable vector field data is available from sources like NASA.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about a formula for calculating Earth's magnetic field strength and vector orientation at distances up to thousands of kilometers.
  • Several participants express skepticism about the existence of a simple formula for this complex problem.
  • One participant shares a link to a Wikipedia article that may contain references to data files related to Earth's magnetic field.
  • Another participant notes that the magnetic field is complex and non-uniform, especially during periods of pole reversal, but becomes more regular at greater distances from the surface.
  • There is mention of the dynamo effect and how geological processes may influence the magnetic field over time, suggesting this could be an interesting area for modeling.
  • Participants discuss the difficulty in finding relevant data files and challenge each other on their research efforts, with some suggesting that others may not have thoroughly explored the provided references.
  • One participant describes finding a list of FAQs that point to various models of the geomagnetic field and mentions encountering an equation that could be useful for simulations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the topic is complex and that a simple formula may not exist. However, there is no consensus on the availability of data files or the best approach to finding them, leading to multiple competing views on how to proceed.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the completeness of their research and the availability of data, indicating that further exploration of the references may be necessary to uncover useful information.

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Calculating magnetic field strength at points around the Earth.
I want to render the Earth’s Magnetic field in a software and simulate solar wind electron interaction with it. How do I calculate the magnetic strength and vector orientation at each point around the Earth up to thousands of km?

Is there a formula?

Or do I need to download a vector field from NASA?
 
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It is more complex than you think. Can you imagine a simple formula for this?

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anorlunda said:
It is more complex than you think. Can you imagine a simple formula for this?

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Is there a vector field file that I can download for this?
 
anorlunda said:
It is more complex than you think. Can you imagine a simple formula for this?
Cool image! Where did it come from? Maybe @darkdave3000 can get the data from the source (like if it came from a simulation in COMSOL or something)...
 
The image comes from

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth's_magnetic_field#cite_note-selfconsistent-1
The references in the article may lead to some data files.

It may be a bit extreme because it is from a period of pole reversal. However, even in other periods, it is complex and non-uniform although not as extreme.

If you get away from the surface, the field becomes more regular, but still not simple. This image comes from the same Wikipedia article. That might be more suitable to solar wind studies.
But I'll wager that other PF members may be able to point to publicly available models or data sets.

Edit: I think it would also be fun to gaze inward. I recall mention of vorticies in the Earth's mantle giving rise to the Earth's field via the dynamo effect. As the vorticies twist and turn (on geological time scales) the field moves and distorts. That too would be fun to model.
 
anorlunda said:
The image comes from

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth's_magnetic_field#cite_note-selfconsistent-1
The references in the article may lead to some data files.

It may be a bit extreme because it is from a period of pole reversal. However, even in other periods, it is complex and non-uniform although not as extreme.

If you get away from the surface, the field becomes more regular, but still not simple. This image comes from the same Wikipedia article. That might be more suitable to solar wind studies.
But I'll wager that other PF members may be able to point to publicly available models or data sets.

Edit: I think it would also be fun to gaze inward. I recall mention of vorticies in the Earth's mantle giving rise to the Earth's field via the dynamo effect. As the vorticies twist and turn (on geological time scales) the field moves and distorts. That too would be fun to model.
I couldn’t find any files via references from that page.
 
darkdave3000 said:
I couldn’t find any files via references from that page.

you went through every one of those 78 references + the "further reading + "external links" ?
 
davenn said:
you went through every one of those 78 references + the "further reading + "external links" ?

He must not have. It's four clicks away and I found it in under a minute.
 
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Can you show me a few of what you found? Maybe I’m searching the wrong links.
 
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Why don't you instead tell us what links you are following and why you think that these would be the most likely to bear fruit?
 
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If you aren't willing to provide even the most basic answer to my question, why shouldn't everyone simply conclude you want us to do your research for you? You don't want help. You want us to do it.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
If you aren't willing to provide even the most basic answer to my question, why shouldn't everyone simply conclude you want us to do your research for you? You don't want help. You want us to do it.
I couldn’t find any files, vector field or otherwise.
 
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anorlunda said:
The image comes from

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth's_magnetic_field#cite_note-selfconsistent-1The references in the article may lead to some data files.
darkdave3000 said:
Maybe I’m searching the wrong links.
davenn said:
you went through every one of those 78 references + the "further reading + "external links" ?
I started skimming down the references in the linked article, clicking into a few, and then clicked into Lucky #13.

That landed me in a long list of FAQs about the subject, and seemed to be pointing to several models of the Earth's geomagnetic field. I started seeing that there are several models that are used, and data and simulations for each. I didn't spend a lot of time looking, but clicking into FAQ #4 about how to get some of the model coefficients got me to a page with one possible equation to use. You might see if you can base your simulations off of that equation, to get some preliminary data. You will also need to get some sort of data or model of the Solar Wind, I would think.

You may want to spend some time clicking through the different models that are mentioned in the FAQ list -- that should help you to understand more about how the geomagnetic field is modeled.

Part of the FAQs:
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Clicking on the IGRF model in FAQ #4
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