Effect of Earth's B field on an e/m experiment

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The discussion revolves around the effect of Earth's magnetic field on an experiment designed to measure the charge to mass ratio of an electron. Participants explore the implications of the Earth's magnetic field being oriented at an angle to the magnetic field produced by the experimental coils, addressing both theoretical and practical aspects of the resulting particle motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant references Thompson's method for accounting for the Earth's magnetic field but questions its applicability when the Earth's field is at an angle to the coils' field.
  • Another participant emphasizes the vector nature of magnetic fields and suggests that the total magnetic field is determined by vector addition of the Earth's and coils' magnetic fields.
  • A participant notes that if the magnetic field is not perpendicular to the velocity of the electron beam, the resulting path will not be circular, leading to helical motion instead.
  • There is a discussion about terminology, where one participant critiques the use of the term "spiral" to describe the helical path, arguing that it implies a decreasing radius, which is not the case.
  • A participant shares an animation demonstrating the helicoidal motion of a charged particle in a magnetic field when the magnetic field is not perpendicular to the velocity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the terminology used to describe the particle's path and the implications of the magnetic field's orientation. There is no consensus on the best way to describe the motion or the effects of the Earth's magnetic field in this context.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of vector addition in magnetic fields and the resulting motion of charged particles, but does not resolve the assumptions regarding the definitions of terms like "spiral" versus "helical." There are also unresolved questions about the specific conditions under which the Earth's magnetic field affects the experiment.

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I am doing an experiment to measure the charge to mass ratio of an electron. And I have found the method suggested by Thompson to account for the effect of the Earth's magnetic field[http://ajp.aapt.org/resource/1/ajpias/v58/i10/p1019_s1?isAuthorized=no" ]. But it only gives the equation, i.e. B_total=B_coils+B_earth, when the Earth's B field is (anti)parallel to the field from the coils. How about when the Earth's B field is oriented at an angle to the B field from the coils? Can you suggest journals or textbook references that mentions this case?
 
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omicgavp said:
How about when the Earth's B field is oriented at an angle to the B field from the coils?

The magnetic field \vec B is a vector quantity. Do you know how to add vectors?
 
jtbell said:
The magnetic field \vec B is a vector quantity. Do you know how to add vectors?
If I solve for the vector sum of B_earth and B_coils, I would obtain a different direction for the total magnetic field which is contrary to that of the supposed circular path of the e- beam, i.e. B_total should be perpendicular to both F_m and v.
 
When B is not perpendicular to v, you don't get a circular path. Think of v as having components perpendicular and parallel to B. The perpendicular component of v tends to produce circular motion, but the parallel component of v "carries" this circular motion along the direction of B, so you get a helical path whose axis is parallel to B. See this page for example:

http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/302l/lectures/node73.html

He calls the path a "spiral" which I consider to be incorrect terminology. To me, a "spiral" has a steadily decreasing radius so the path "shrinks" towards the center. And his picture looks more like a sine-wave than a spiral, but that's surely merely a matter of the crudeness of the drawing.
 
A while ago, I made an animation showing the helicoidal motion of a charged particle in a uniform magnetic field (when B is not perpendicular to v):

http://bestphysicsvideos.blogspot.com/2011/01/charged-particle-in-magnetic-field.html

Hope this helps.



jtbell said:
When B is not perpendicular to v, you don't get a circular path. Think of v as having components perpendicular and parallel to B. The perpendicular component of v tends to produce circular motion, but the parallel component of v "carries" this circular motion along the direction of B, so you get a helical path whose axis is parallel to B. See this page for example:

http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/302l/lectures/node73.html

He calls the path a "spiral" which I consider to be incorrect terminology. To me, a "spiral" has a steadily decreasing radius so the path "shrinks" towards the center. And his picture looks more like a sine-wave than a spiral, but that's surely merely a matter of the crudeness of the drawing.
 

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