Effect of wheel diameter in a car

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on how the diameter of a car's wheel affects various performance parameters, including speed, torque, and handling. Participants explore the physical significance of these effects and request equations to support their understanding.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants seek clarification on whether the discussion pertains to wheel diameter or tire diameter, indicating potential confusion in terminology.
  • One participant notes that a larger wheel can increase the combined weight of the wheel and tire, which may affect handling depending on the sidewall stiffness.
  • Another participant mentions that modifying wheel diameter alters the total inertia of the wheel/tire assembly, impacting vehicle acceleration.
  • It is suggested that smaller wheel diameters may increase vertical stiffness, affecting the tire's deflection under load and consequently the force and speed at the contact patch.
  • Participants discuss how a smaller wheel diameter may lead to decreased longitudinal stiffness, which can smooth force transfer during acceleration and braking.
  • One participant raises the point that smaller wheel diameters result in less rigid tires, potentially affecting lateral force handling and necessitating beadlocks.
  • There is mention of the relationship between wheel diameter and brake system size, with larger wheels allowing for larger brake systems that can dissipate more heat.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the effects of wheel diameter on performance parameters, and the discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding tire stiffness, wheel material density, and the impact of wheel diameter on inertia and handling are discussed but not fully resolved. The discussion also highlights the dependence on specific vehicle types and designs.

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Individuals interested in automotive engineering, performance tuning, or the physics of vehicle dynamics may find this discussion relevant.

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Hello guys

I want to know how the wheel diameter of car affects the car's performance parameters(physical significance) such as
1)speed
2)torque
3)handling.

I would also appreciate if some equations are used to substantiate the physical understanding of these.
 
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Just to make sure, are you referring to the wheel diameter or tire diameter ?
 
Steering wheel or wheel for the tires?
 
jack action said:
Just to make sure, are you referring to the wheel diameter or tire diameter ?

Thanks for replying . i actually mean the rim diameter
 
Ranger Mike said:
Steering wheel or wheel for the tires?

wheel for the tyres.
 
Assuming the wheel material is denser than the rubber in a tire, then a larger wheel increases the combined weight of wheel and tire. Assuming a fixed outer diameter of a tire, the side walls can be either too tall or too short for optimal handling, depending on how stiff the sidewalls are. As an example, in the case of a car like a Porsche 911, a wheel diameter around 18 inches is usually optimum for racing tires, while a Formula 1 car uses a smaller wheel, and relatively taller and stiffer sidewalls.
 
The following assumes the tire diameter stays constant.

Inertia:

By modifying the wheel diameter, you will modify the total inertia of the wheel/tire assembly, thus affecting the acceleration of the vehicle.

It may increase or decrease, depending on the shape and design of the wheel. Here is a calculator to get a crude evaluation for rotational inertia of wheel/tire.

Tire stiffness:

With a small wheel diameter, the vertical stiffness of the tire usually increases. This means that the tire radius will vary more under vertical load (such as weight transfer) (deflection = load / stiffness). This affects the force and speed measured at the contact patch (force = torque / radius; speed = rpm * radius).

The preceding is also true for braking, which will affect http://www.jakelatham.com/radical/info/brake_calculators.shtml.

Having a higher tire vertical stiffness also means that the tire can loose contact more easily with the road - if it is relatively too rough - hence affecting handling.

Similarly, the longitudinal stiffness will most likely decrease with smaller wheel diameter. This means that a very large acceleration/braking force can be absorbed, giving a smoother force transfer to the ground, like on drag tire for example:

0810chp_02_z+mickey_thompson_drag_tires_tips+hard_vs_soft.jpg

Tire rigidity:

Having a smaller wheel diameter means a less rigid tire. This means that it is easier to remove the tire from the wheel under a lateral force, i.e. under lateral acceleration; A beadlock is then necessary.

A more rigid tire usually also means lower rolling resistance.

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Also, as the wheel diameter increases (no matter the tire diameter), the force between the rim and the tire increases, which can lead to slipping; Again, a beadlock may be necessary.

Finally, a larger wheel usually means more space for a larger brake system which can absorb more heat.
 
we had a great discussion on mech engineering post

Alloy wheels and fuel economy
by Dr Lots-o'watts
use search above to check it out..
 

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