Efficiency of a Heat Engine: How to Calculate Heat Transfer in a Monotonic Gas

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The discussion revolves around calculating the efficiency of a heat engine, specifically focusing on heat transfer in a gas, with considerations of whether the gas is monotonic or diatomic. Participants are exploring the implications of the second law of thermodynamics and the relationships between heat, work, and internal energy in the context of a thermodynamic cycle.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate heat transfer along a specific path and expresses uncertainty regarding the type of gas involved. They question whether assumptions need to be made about the gas properties to proceed with calculations.
  • Some participants suggest algebraic manipulation to explore the efficiency expression, while others raise questions about the interpretation of numerical values in the context of the problem.
  • Further attempts to derive relationships between heat and work are presented, with detailed steps outlined for different paths in the thermodynamic cycle.
  • Concerns about simplification and clarity in the efficiency formula are also noted, with participants questioning if a step has been overlooked.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing algebraic insights and questioning assumptions. While some guidance has been offered, particularly in algebraic manipulation, there is no explicit consensus on the next steps or final outcomes. The discussion remains open with various interpretations being explored.

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The original poster notes a lack of information regarding the type of gas, which may affect calculations. There is also a mention of potential assumptions that could be made to facilitate solving the problem.

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Homework Statement


I am having an issue trying to decipher this question, as I am not sure if it a lack of knowledge on my half or there is an assumption I have to make.

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##\epsilon=\frac{W_{total}}{Q_{in}}##

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My issue is calculating the heat along the path ##Q_{A \rightarrow B}## my confusion stem from that second law there is no working being done so then heat is equal to ##Q_{A \rightarrow B}=C_v\Delta T##.

Now in the question I have no information on if this a monotonic gas or diatomic ideal gas, if I have to make the assumption it is fine I can calculate the efficiency just fine, but I was just wondering if someone could take a look as I may have overlooked something.
 

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Just do it algebraically, and see what the efficiency looks like.

Also, does 5x higher mean 5x as high, or does it mean 6x as high?
 
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I have attempted to solve algebraically and seem to have gotten a result which, dose not simplify easily.

Here is my current working

Step 1 : What I know.

$$\Delta E_{int}=Q_in+Wd_{on} \ [1]$$

$$\Delta E_{int}=C_v n\Delta T \ [2]$$

$$\Delta Wd_{on}=-\Delta Wd_{by}=-P\Delta V \ [3]$$

In the PV diagram displayed I have three processes
  1. Isotherm path ##B \rightarrow C##
  2. Isobaric path ##C \rightarrow A##
  3. Isochoric paths ##A \rightarrow B##
Step 2 : Solving Isotherm path
$$\Delta E_{int}=0$$

$$0=Q_{in}+Wd_{on}=Q_{in}-Wd_{by}$$

$$Q_{in}=Wd_{by}=Pdv$$

$$P=\frac{nR5T_1}{V}$$

$$Qin=\int^{V_2}_{V_1} \frac{nR5T_1}{V} dv=nR5T_1 ln(\frac{V_2}{V_1})$$

finding ##\frac{V_2}{V_1}##

$$P_1V_1=nRT_1$$

$$PV_2=nR5T_1$$

$$\frac{V_2}{V_1}=5$$

therefore

$$Q_{in}=nR5ln(5)T_1=Q_H$$

Step 3 : Solving Isobaric path

$$\Delta E_{int}=Q_{in}-Wd_{by}$$

$$C_vn\Delta T=Q_{in}-P(\Delta T)$$

$$Q_{in}=C_vn\Delta T + nR\Delta T $$

$$(C_v+R)n\Delta T=Q_{in}$$

$$C_p n\Delta T = Q_{in}$$

$$\Delta T=-4T_1$$

$$Q_{in}=-4C_pnT_1$$

Step 4 : Solving Isobaric path

$$\Delta E_{int}=Q_{in}$$

$$C_v n \Delta T=Q_{in}$$

$$4C_v n T_1=Q_{in}$$

Step 5 : Solving for Efficiency

$$\epsilon = \frac{W}{Q_in}$$

As system is a complet cycle then ##\Delta E_{int}=0## therefore ##W_T=\sum Q_in##

$$\epsilon = \frac{(5ln5)R+4C_v-4C_p}{(5ln5)R+4C_v}$$

$$\frac{(5ln5)R-4R}{(5ln5)R+4C_v}=\frac{(5ln5-4)R}{(5ln5)R+4C_v}$$

And this is were I am stuck, I have I missed a step in my workings? Surley I should be able to simplyfy this into an actual percentage
 
You almost have it.

$$\frac{(5ln5)R-4R}{(5ln5)R+4C_v}=\frac{(\ln{5}-0.8)R}{(\ln{5}R+0.8C_v}=\frac{\left(1-\frac{0.8}{\ln{5}}\right)}{\left(1+\frac{0.8}{\ln{5}(\gamma-1)}\right)}$$
 
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