Einstein's Elevator Trajectories: Desloge & Philpott 1987, Hamilton 1978

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The discussion revolves around the trajectories of light rays and particles in a uniformly accelerated reference frame, particularly in the context of special relativity. Participants explore the implications of initial velocities that are not vertical and seek references for further understanding of the subject.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference papers by Desloge & Philpott (1987) and Hamilton (1978) that discuss vertical motion in accelerated frames, questioning the trajectory of particles with non-vertical initial velocities.
  • A participant mentions that in a homogeneous electric field, a point particle experiences constant proper acceleration, resulting in hyperbolic trajectories.
  • Several participants refer to Rindler coordinates, suggesting that the trajectories of photons in an accelerated elevator may appear circular or semi-circular, contingent on the size of the elevator and the flatness of spacetime.
  • Another participant clarifies that circles in a Lorentzian plane correspond to hyperbolae or light cones in Minkowski coordinates, referencing visual aids from Wikipedia.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of trajectories in accelerated frames, with some suggesting circular paths for photons while others argue for hyperbolic trajectories. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of these trajectories under varying conditions.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the size of the elevator and the flatness of spacetime, which may affect the interpretation of trajectories. Additionally, the discussion does not resolve the mathematical details or implications of the proposed models.

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Newton's theory predicts parabolic trajectories. But what kind of trajectories within the framework of Special Relativity?
Hello,
Some papers describe the vertical motion of a ray of light or a non-zero mass particle in a uniformly accelerated reference frame in special relativity:
  • Desloge, E. A., & Philpott, R. J. (1987). Uniformly accelerated reference frames in special relativity. American Journal of Physics, 55(3), 252–261. https://doi.org/10.1119/1.15197 (world lines on page 258)
  • Hamilton, J. D. (1978). The uniformly accelerated reference frame. American Journal of Physics, 46(1), 83–89. https://doi.org/10.1119/1.11169 (world lines for a ray of light on page 85, for a massive particle on page 86)
But in the case of a non-vertical initial velocity what is the trajectory? What kind of curve does a particle draw on a vertical wall of the elevator? Do you know reference papers or books on this subject?
Thank you for your answers.
 
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A point particle in a homogeneous electric field, neglecting radiation reaction, realizes a particle with constant proper acceleration. The trajectories are hyperbolae.
 
Wikipedia (Rindler coordinates): "we obtain a picture which looks suspiciously like the family of all semicircles through a point and orthogonal to the Rindler horizon"
Thus, the trajectories of photons in the accelerated elevator seem to be circular!
 
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Mathieu Rouaud said:
Wikipedia (Rindler coordinates): "we obtain a picture which looks suspiciously like the family of all semicircles through a point and orthogonal to the Rindler horizon"
Thus, the trajectories of photons in the accelerated elevator seem to be circular!
Semi-circular, yes. Given of course a very large elevator where spacetime is still flat.
 
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Well, but circles in a Lorentzian plane are in fact hyperbolae (or light cones), namely (in "Minkoski-Cartesian coordinates")
$$\eta_{\mu \nu} x^{\mu} x^{\nu}=\text{const}.$$
See the picture in Wikipedia just close the quoted passage.
 
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