Elastic Potential Energy of a Sprin

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The problem involves two trolleys with different masses and a compressed spring between them. The scenario describes the trolleys moving apart after a string holding them together is cut, and it seeks to determine the compression of the spring required for one of the trolleys to achieve a specific velocity.

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  • Participants discuss the conservation of energy and momentum to analyze the system. There are attempts to calculate the compression of the spring using energy equations, while others question the omission of kinetic energy for both trolleys. Some participants explore how to find the velocity of the second trolley using momentum conservation.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing different approaches and questioning assumptions. Some have suggested corrections to earlier attempts, and there is an exploration of multiple interpretations regarding the velocities of the trolleys and the energy conservation equations.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the inclusion of kinetic energy for both trolleys in the energy conservation equation. The problem setup is reiterated by multiple participants, emphasizing the need to consider both masses in the calculations.

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Homework Statement


Two trolleys, of mass 1.2 kg and 4.8 kg, are at rest with a compressed spring between them, held that way by a string tied around both. When the string is cut, the trolleys move apart, if the force constant fo the spring is 2400 N/m, by how much must it have been compressed in order that the 4.8 kg cart move off at 2.0m/s

Cart: 4.8 kg, 2 m/s
Cart 2: 1.2 kg
Spring constant, k: 2400 N/m

Homework Equations



Ee = 1/2kx^2
Ek = 1/2mv^2

The Attempt at a Solution


E = E'
1/2kx^2 = 1/2mv^2
kx^2 = mv^2
2400x^2 = 4.8(2)^2
x^2 = 4.8(4)/2400
x = 0.09 m
 
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Why are you not including the kinetic energy of the 4.8 kg cart. The 1.2 kg cart moves too. You can use "conservation of momentum" to find its speed.
 
So then would I find the velocity of the other cart like this:

mava + mbvb = mava' + mbvb'
0 = 4.8(2) + 1.2vb'
vb' = 8

then we put that back in so

1/2kx^2 = 1/2mv^2 + 1/2mv^2
2400x^2 = 4.8(2)^2 + 1.2(8)^2
x = 0.2 m
 
testme said:

Homework Statement


Two trolleys, of mass 1.2 kg and 4.8 kg, are at rest with a compressed spring between them, held that way by a string tied around both. When the string is cut, the trolleys move apart, if the force constant fo the spring is 2400 N/m, by how much must it have been compressed in order that the 4.8 kg cart move off at 2.0m/s

Cart: 4.8 kg, 2 m/s
Cart 2: 1.2 kg
Spring constant, k: 2400 N/m

Homework Equations



Ee = 1/2kx^2
Ek = 1/2mv^2

The Attempt at a Solution


E = E'
1/2kx^2 = 1/2mv^2
kx^2 = mv^2
2400x^2 = 4.8(2)^2
x^2 = 4.8(4)/2400
x = 0.09 m
you have left out the KE of the smaller mass. It also must move out a certain velocity, using momentum conservation to find that velocity.
 
testme said:
So then would I find the velocity of the other cart like this:

mava + mbvb = mava' + mbvb'
0 = 4.8(2) + 1.2vb'
vb' = 8

then we put that back in so

1/2kx^2 = 1/2mv^2 + 1/2mv^2
2400x^2 = 4.8(2)^2 + 1.2(8)^2
x = 0.2 m
Looks like you and HallsofIvy have already worked this out...correctly...
I posted after you 'spoke'...
 

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