Electric circuit with resistors in series

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The discussion revolves around an electric circuit involving a battery, an ammeter with resistance, and a resistor connected in series, along with a voltmeter connected in parallel to the resistor. The problem seeks to find the ratio of the determined resistance to the actual resistance of the resistor, given specific values for resistances.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the equivalent resistance of the parallel combination of the voltmeter and the unknown resistor, questioning how to calculate the potential difference across this combination and the resulting ratio of resistances.

Discussion Status

There are multiple interpretations of the effective resistance and potential difference calculations. Some participants have provided different expressions for the effective resistance and potential difference, while others express confusion about the calculations and the implications of the voltmeter's resistance on the measured values. Guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between voltage, current, and resistance, but no consensus has been reached on the specific ratio sought.

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Participants note that the data provided may not be sufficient to determine the desired ratio, and there are discussions about the impact of the ammeter and voltmeter resistances on the measurements.

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A battery , ammeter with resistance , 1 ohm and a resistor are connected in series .A voltmeter of 500 ohm is connected parallel to the resistor . The actual resistance of R is 100 ohm , what is the ratio of (the resistance R determined)/(the actual resistance of R) ?

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Let the emf of the battery be E and resistance of resistor , R

pd across R = [R/(1+R)]E

I(500)= [R/(1+R)]E

and that leads me to nowhere .
 
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When the voltmeter is connected across the unknown resistance, what is the equivalent resistance R' of the parallel combination?
Then find PD across R' and the ratio of R'/R.
 


rl.bhat said:
When the voltmeter is connected across the unknown resistance, what is the equivalent resistance R' of the parallel combination?
Then find PD across R' and the ratio of R'/R.

ok , the effective resistance , R'=500R/(500+R) and the potential difference across the unknown resistor is

[500R/(501R+500)]E

but that's not the resistance .
 


The effective resistance R' is 500R/(550+R) but the potential difference is ER'/(R'+1). (Don't forget the ammeter resistance.)

So now you know the potential difference across R' and the current through it. Can you calculate the determined resistance?
 


skeptic2 said:
The effective resistance R' is 500R/(550+R) but the potential difference is ER'/(R'+1). (Don't forget the ammeter resistance.)

So now you know the potential difference across R' and the current through it. Can you calculate the determined resistance?

For the effective resistance , i got 500R/(500+R) , i don see where is the another 50 coming ..

and the pd across the uknown resistor ,

using the concept of potential divider , [500R/(500+R)]/[(500R/(500+R))+1]

=500R/(501R+500)

maybe i am wrong here , could yuo point me to my mistake ? and also i do not know the current flowing through the unkown resistor .
 


If you do the experiment to determine the resistance , you use an ammeter of very small resistance and a voltmeter of very high resistance. Ammeter measures the current and voltmeter measures the voltage across the resistance. Then R = V/I. This is the actual resistance. If the voltmeter is of lower resistance, then the measured resistance is smaller than the actual resistance.
But I can't understand what you mean by
what is the ratio of (the resistance R determined)/(the actual resistance of R) ?

Probably the given data is not sufficient to determine the above ratio.
 

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