Electric Energy: How is it Gained and Lost in Electricity?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of electric energy, specifically how it is gained and lost in electricity. Participants explore definitions, the relationship between electric energy and kinetic energy, and the abstract nature of electricity, while addressing both theoretical and practical aspects of the topic.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that electric energy is the work done to move a charge from one potential to another, suggesting a relationship with kinetic energy.
  • Others argue that electric energy is a separate form of energy distinct from kinetic energy, emphasizing the work required to move charges in an electric field.
  • A participant suggests that electricity should be described as being 'associated with' the movement of electrons, highlighting the abstract nature of electricity and the limitations of concrete definitions.
  • There is a question about whether the inquiry pertains to energy gain in practical applications (like plugging in appliances) or in the context of electric fields and charge movement, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the term "electric energy."
  • Some participants express confusion about the definitions and contexts being discussed, indicating that clarity is needed to address the original question effectively.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the definition of electric energy or its relationship to kinetic energy. Multiple competing views remain regarding the nature of electric energy and the contexts in which it is discussed.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reveals limitations in the definitions provided and the assumptions made about electric energy, as well as the dependence on context for understanding the concept.

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In most textbooks the electric energy is merely mentioned, not explained. From a google search the definition states that electric energy is the movement of electrons. But what exactly is it? It is obvious that it does work by transferring the potential energy to kinetic energy. So is electric energy another term for kinetic energy?
 
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No, it is a separate form of energy. It takes work (= energy) to move a charge from infinity to the neighborhood of an identical charge (fixed to its location for simplicity).
 
BvU said:
No, it is a separate form of energy. It takes work (= energy) to move a charge from infinity to the neighborhood of an identical charge (fixed to its location for simplicity).
So since it is another form of energy, would electric energy just be the work done to move an electron from zero potential to a potential? So electric energy = work done? If so, can I equate this work done to kinetic energy so work(electric energy) = kinetic energy?
 
Yes, yes and yes.
That is correct. If you let go of a charge A in the neighborhood of an identical charge B (that is fixed to its position), the electric energy will be converted to kinetic energy of A. Note the kinetic energy of A at time ##t## is the difference in electric energy between its original position and its position at time ##t##.

Or: a charge A let go in the neighborhood of an opposite charge B (fixed) will move toward B and the kinetic energy of A will be the difference in electric energy.
 
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ImpCat said:
From a google search the definition states that electric energy is the movement of electrons
It would be better to re-state that and to say that electricity is 'associated with' the movement of electrons (mostly, in our practical experience of Electricity).
It is not a good idea to demand such a 'concrete' description of Electricity and to want to include electrons in explanations. Electricity is a very abstract entity which can be described best by using a mathematical description. Look at any textbook for confirmation of that statement. It is not a cop out - using electrons is actually the real cop out, in my opinion.
 
There is a little bit of confusion, and of ships passing in the night, here.

To the OP: are you asking for how we gain energy in electricity, as in when we plug in our appliances into the wall outlet, or when a light bulb lights up? Or are you asking about how energy is gained or lost in an electric field due to movement of charges?

While those two may appear to be the same (and they essentially are based on the underlying theory), the more basic explanation isn't the same for both. You appear to have been given both answers, but it is difficult to know which one you are looking for without a clearer definition of what "electric energy" is.

Zz.
 
ZapperZ said:
There is a little bit of confusion, and of ships passing in the night, here.

To the OP: are you asking for how we gain energy in electricity, as in when we plug in our appliances into the wall outlet, or when a light bulb lights up? Or are you asking about how energy is gained or lost in an electric field due to movement of charges?

While those two may appear to be the same (and they essentially are based on the underlying theory), the more basic explanation isn't the same for both. You appear to have been given both answers, but it is difficult to know which one you are looking for without a clearer definition of what "electric energy" is.

Zz.

I'm guess I'm essentially asking for both, but aren't the two essentially the same? Since you need an electric field to push the electrons in a circuit.
 

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