Electric field from a charged disk

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The discussion revolves around the electric field generated by a uniformly charged disk, specifically addressing the behavior of the electric field at the center of the disk and the implications of mathematical evaluations at that point. The scope includes theoretical considerations and mathematical reasoning related to electric fields.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an equation for the electric field at a distance ##z## from the center of a charged disk and notes that it yields a non-zero value when evaluated at ##z = 0##.
  • Another participant asserts that the equation is only valid for ##z > 0##, indicating a discontinuity in the electric field at the surface of the disk.
  • Some participants question the reasoning behind the non-zero result from the integral when ##z = 0##, suggesting that the mathematical expression does not apply at that point.
  • It is noted that the function representing the electric field is not continuous at ##z = 0##, and that the idealized model of a charged disk may not accurately represent physical reality at very small distances from the surface.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the mathematical expression for the electric field is not valid at ##z = 0##, but there is some contention regarding the interpretation of the integral and the implications of its evaluation at that point.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the idealization of a charged disk as a two-dimensional surface and the need for a more accurate physical model when approaching the surface closely.

Bipolarity
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This is rather strange and has been bugging me, from chapter 22 (Electric fields) of Resnick & Halliday:

So suppose you have a charged disk of radius ##R## (the disk has no thickness and charge is uniformly spread on the surface of the disk). If you are at a distance ##z## away from the center of the disk (and orthogonal to the disk), the net electric field you experience is:

## E = \frac{\displaystyle zσ}{\displaystyle 4ε_{0}}\int^{R}_{0}(z^{2}+r^{2})^{-3/2}(2r)dr ##

Now if ## z = 0 ##, then it is clear that the field will be 0. This makes sense, because if you are at the center of the disk, then symmetry will ensure that the field induced by all charge is canceled out by the charge diametrically opposite to it on the disk.

But if you actually evaluate the integral, you get
## E = \frac{\displaystyle σ}{\displaystyle 2ε_{0}}(1- \frac{\displaystyle z}{\displaystyle \sqrt{z^{2}+R^{2}}} )##

Now the problem with this is that if you set z=0 here, you end up something nonzero! What is the issue here? Thanks!

BiP
 
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The equation is only valid for ##z > 0##

The electric field (and magnetic field of a surface current) due to a surface charge is discontinuous when you cross the surface.
 
Why do you think the integral is non-zero?
 
voko said:
Why do you think the integral is non-zero?

Plugging in z=0 for the second expression yields a nonzero value.

BiP
 
Astrum answered the question, it isn't valid for ##z = 0##.
 
Bipolarity said:
Plugging in z=0 for the second expression yields a nonzero value.

When you integrate, you get ## 1/z - 1/\sqrt {R^2 + z^2} ##. This is clearly only valid when ## z > 0 ##. You can then talk about the limit of that at ## z = 0 ##, but the limit of a function does not have to be equal to the value of the function.

In this case, the function is not continuous at ## z = 0 ##. Physically this is because we are dealing with an idealized situation, where the charge is spread over a 2D domain. Obviously you can expect that the idealization works reasonably wellwhen you are far enough from the surface, so that its thickness (or non-thickness) can be neglected, but when you get very close you need a better physical model, so puzzling over why the mathematical device breaks down is rather pointless.
 

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