Electric field in curved spacetime

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding an equation for the electric field of a point charge in Schwarzschild spacetime, specifically when the charge and the gravitating body are not at the same position. Participants explore various resources and theoretical frameworks related to this problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a specific equation for the electric field of a point charge in Schwarzschild spacetime, emphasizing the need for a 3-dimensional form.
  • Another participant suggests a book by Stephani, but the original poster expresses that it focuses on metrics rather than electric fields.
  • A different participant points to Maxwell's equations in curved spacetime, but the original poster finds it insufficient for their needs.
  • One participant mentions a paper that discusses the equivalence principle and its limitations for charged particles, expressing skepticism about its content.
  • Another participant describes the conceptual understanding of the electromagnetic field as differential forms and visualizes electric field lines in curved spacetime.
  • There is a discussion about whether the problem pertains to a full electrovac solution or a scenario where the charge is small enough not to significantly affect the metric.
  • A participant references a classic paper by Cohen and Wald that may contain the sought solution, suggesting it has historical precedence in the literature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the availability of a specific equation for the electric field in the discussed context. Multiple viewpoints and resources are presented, but the discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact formulation needed.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the applicability of various resources and the complexity of the problem, indicating potential limitations in the existing literature and the need for further exploration.

Gavroy
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hi

i am looking for an equation that gives me the electric field( if possible in 3-dim form) of a point charge in a distance r in a schwarzschild spacetime, where the point charge and the the gravitating body should not be the same position.
 
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Try the book by Stephani, Exact solutions of Einstein's field equations.
 
afais, they calculate only the metric, which is not what i am interested in.

i need an equation for the electric field of a charge at position r at a place x in the e.g. schwarzschild field of a gravitating body at position z.
 
thank you too, but actually , they do not calculate this stuff but just write down the maxwell equations in general relativity
 
Maybe http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/9910019? Their comments about the equivalence principle are just for fun, since it's well known that the EP doesn't apply to charged particles.
 
I'm a bit suspicious of that paper, the way it talks about "the radiation from a static charge" seems to me to be a bit of a danger sign. Though apparently it was published in genuine print :-).

Conceptually, the electromagnetic field is a differential form. So, you can imagine the electric field as an array of tubes , or field lines.

The mathematical expression of this is d*F = J. This works in both flat and curved space-times.

The pictorial expression of this is a bunch of field lines and or tubes (you can think of the lines as being at the center of the tubes) radiating out from the charge, as per MTW, or see also.

http://125.71.228.222/wlxt/ncourse/DCCYDCB/web/condition/9.pdf also has some pictures, esp fig 6.

Intuitively, I'd expect then that locally, the field lines of the charge would start out as the flat-space field lines one is familiar with, and that in curved space one would just extend the field lines as space-like geodesics.

One goes from the field lines to the "force on a unit charge" in the usual way, the magnitude being proportional to the density of the field lines and he direction the direction of the field lines.

This provides a nice visual picture, but, unfortunately, no hard numbers.
 
Gavroy said:
thank you too, but actually , they do not calculate this stuff but just write down the maxwell equations in general relativity

The EM field tensor contains the electric field ? What more do you want ?
 
well of course does the electromagnetic field tensor contain the electric field, but nowhere in this article is an equation that determines the electromagnetic field tensor on the basis of the information i have, which is that the metric is the schwarzschild metric and that there is a point charge in space.

i am extremely wondered that this problem is not more "popular", because i really need an equation.
 
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Are we talking about a full electrovac solution, or just one in which the charge is small, so that it doesn't affect the metric much?
 
  • #11
This was done in a classic paper of Cohen and Wald, J. Math. Phys. 12, 1845 (1971). I think the solution may have been worked out previously by copson or linet or something--I don't have a clear memory of the history. But I'm sure you'll find what you need in Cohen and Wald.
 
  • #12
yes, this was really exactly what i was looking for...thank you
 

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