Electric field in magnetostatics?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of electric fields in the context of magnetostatics, particularly how to derive the electric field when dealing with steady currents. Participants explore the implications of current flow on electric fields and the validity of electrostatic principles in this framework.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to obtain the electric field in magnetostatics, noting that charges are not stationary and Coulomb's law may not apply.
  • Another participant asserts that in magnetostatics, the equations for the electric field decouple, allowing the rules of electrostatics to still hold, referencing Maxwell's Equations.
  • A later reply corrects the previous statement by emphasizing that magnetostatic fields are not time-dependent.
  • One participant distinguishes between current and the motion of free charges, suggesting that the net charge in every differential volume is zero in the case of current.
  • Another participant discusses the concept of a non-neutral current of charges, such as a beam of electrons, and relates it to the continuity equation in magnetostatics.
  • There is a correction regarding the terminology used, clarifying that "time-independent fields" was intended instead of "time-dependent fields."

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between current and electric fields in magnetostatics, with some asserting that electrostatic principles apply while others challenge this notion. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of steady currents on electric fields.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the definitions of current and charge distributions are not explicitly stated, and the discussion does not resolve the implications of these definitions on the electric field in magnetostatics.

Arham
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Hello

In magnetostatics theory, there exists a current of charges. So in this situation charges are not stationary, and the Coulomb's law, and all the relations derived from it, are not valid. My question is how can we obtain electric field when dealing with steady currents (within magnetostatics theory)?

sorry for bad english
 
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In magnetostatics, i.e., for time-dependent fields, charge distributions and currents, the equations for the electric field decouple, and for the electric field the rules of electrostatics still hold. You see this by writing Maxwell's Equations for this special case (in Heaviside-Lorentz units):

\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{E}=0, \quad \vec{\nabla} \cdot (\epsilon \vec{E})=\rho, \quad \vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{B}=0, \quad \vec{\nabla} \times \frac{\vec{B}}{\mu} = \frac{1}{c} \vec{j}.

Here, I've already worked in the usual consitutive equations for an isotropic medium in nonrelavistic approximation, \vec{B}=\mu \vec{H} and \vec{D}=\epsilon \vec{E}. Finally you need Ohm's Law (here also in its nonrelativistic approximation) \vec{j}=\sigma \vec{E}.
 
Thanks for your good and clear answer. The only thing I'd like to correct is that in magnetostatics fields are NOT time-dependent.
 
Hi Arham,

For me, current is different from a motion of free charges. In case of current, the net charge in every differential volume is zero. Is this kind of related to your question?
 
Hassan2 said:
In case of current, the net charge in every differential volume is zero.

Hi

Consider a beam of electrons. It is a non-neutral current of charges. You can assign a current density to it. In magnetostatics, currents are steady, so \partial\rho/\partial t=0, and the continuity equation becomes: \nabla.J=0, where J denotes the current density.
 
Arham said:
Thanks for your good and clear answer. The only thing I'd like to correct is that in magnetostatics fields are NOT time-dependent.

Sure, that's a typo. I wanted to write "time-independent fields"...
 

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