Electric Field of a Charged Disk

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding the area of a ring section of a charged disk, specifically why it is expressed as 2πa da. Participants explore the derivation and implications of this expression in the context of electric fields.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about why the area of the ring is calculated as 2πa da, seeking clarification.
  • Another participant suggests that the area can be understood as the difference between the areas of two circles, leading to the expression 2πa da when considering infinitesimal changes.
  • A further explanation is provided that conceptualizes the ring as a rectangle with length 2πa and width da, emphasizing that this is an approximation valid in the limit sense.
  • One participant acknowledges the helpfulness of the explanations provided by others in clarifying their understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the reasoning behind the area calculation, but there is no explicit consensus on the broader implications or applications of this understanding in the context of electric fields.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the infinitesimal nature of da and the approximation methods used in calculus, which may not be fully articulated by all participants.

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I'm having a brain freeze and have a hard time understanding why the area of the ring is 2*pi*a*da. Can someone explain why it is the circumference times da?

Link to derivation: www.phys.uri.edu/~gerhard/PHY204/tsl36.pdf
 
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davezhan said:
I'm having a brain freeze and have a hard time understanding why the area of the ring is 2*pi*a*da. Can someone explain why it is the circumference times da?

Link to derivation: www.phys.uri.edu/~gerhard/PHY204/tsl36.pdf

How would you write the equation for the area of that ring section? What happens when you simplify what you've written?
 
Think of the ring as the region between two circles- one of radius a, the other of radius a+ da. The area of the inner circle is [itex]\pi a^2[/itex] and the area of the outer circle is [itex]\pi (a+ da)^2[/itex]. The area between them is [itex]\pi (a+da)^2- \pi a^2[/itex][itex]= \pi (a^2+ 2ada+ da^2)- \pi a^2[/itex][itex]= 2\pi a da+ \pi da^2[/itex]. Since da is an "infinitesmal", its square is negligible and the area is [itex]2\pi a da[/itex]. By saying that "da is an infinitesmal" I mean that this is true in the limit sense for very small da.

Here's another way to look at it: Imagine opening that strip up to a "rectangle". It's length is the circumference of the circle, [itex]2\pi a[/itex], and it's width is da. The area of that "rectangle" is "length times width", [itex]2\pi a da[/itex]. I have put "rectangle" in quotes because, of course, you cannot "open up" a circular strip into a rectangle. This is, again, only true in the limit sense.

If you were to take da to be any finite length, [itex]2\pi a da[/itex] would give you an approximate area, not an exact area. But you can use "da" in an integral to get the exact area.
 
Thank you for your help! The above post helped to clarify things tremendously.
 

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