Electric field of electric current

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between electric current and electric fields, particularly whether moving charges in a current produce an electric field at a stationary point, and how this relates to magnetic fields. The scope includes conceptual understanding and theoretical implications of electromagnetism.

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  • Some participants propose that electric current produces both electric and magnetic fields at a stationary point, questioning how these fields interact.
  • It is asserted that all charges produce an electric field, and that the magnetic field is an effect of an electric field due to moving charges.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the special relativity explanation of magnetism, asking if the perspective of the observer affects the perception of electric and magnetic fields.
  • Another participant suggests that the concepts of electricity and magnetism are unified in electromagnetism, emphasizing the role of perspective in understanding these phenomena.
  • A PhD student in solid state physics indicates a lack of familiarity with fundamental concepts related to electromagnetism.
  • One participant offers advice on educational resources and suggests various approaches to catch up on the topic, including field theory and covariant formulations of Maxwell's equations.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of electric and magnetic fields in relation to electric current, and there is no consensus on the interpretation of these concepts or the implications of special relativity.

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There are references to educational backgrounds and the progression of learning electromagnetism, indicating that some participants may have different levels of familiarity with the topic.

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Does electric current also produces electric field (in addition to magnetic field) at a typical stationary point? In other words, electric current includes the moving charges. Do these charges produce electric field at a stationary point? Or, does the electric field of these charges come into the form of the magnetic field observed at this point?
 
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All charges produce an electric field.
The magnetic field is the effect of an electric field due to moving charges.
You've seen the special relativity explanation of magnetism?
 
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Simon Bridge said:
All charges produce an electric field.
The magnetic field is the effect of an electric field due to moving charges.
You've seen the special relativity explanation of magnetism?
Thanks. I haven't seen the special relativity explanation of magnetism. Do you mean that one who is moving with charge, sees the electric field of charges at the stationary point while one who is resting at the stationary point, sees that field as a magnetic field?
 
That's the idea ... but since there is no such thing as a "stationary point", we have to say an observer who is stationary wrt the wire carrying a current see's the B field of the current while the one stationary wrt the current sees just an electrostatic field. Electricity and magnetism are "unified" into one electromagnetic force, with the everyday separate-seeming effects actually being mixed up together like time and space is in relativity - it's the effect of perspective.
The more complete description is that both effects are the result of an underlying phenomenon we call "electromagnetism". The whole thing is even simpler in the particle physics model. Where is your education up to right now?
 
Simon Bridge said:
Where is your education up to right now?
I am PhD student of solid state physics and I haven't been involved in some fundamental concepts.
 
Oh neat - we share a field, though I have not practised for some time. Electromagnetism is fundamental to solid state, but you have more quantum theory than relativity.

You would normally cover the unification of electricity and magnetism in year 1 undergraduate work (In NZ anyways)... but the SR description may not be covered until year 2. Looks like you just need a primer ... a quickie is to find the lecture series where the subject is covered and ask the lecturer for the notes (and/or sit-in on the lectures). There's a bunch of different ways to catch up depending on where your maths is: it may be worthwhile to start with covarient formulism of Maxwell's equations and GR in flat spacetime than go back to undergrad step-by-step. OR just think in terms of field theory.
 

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