Electric field of non-conducting cylinder

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The discussion revolves around the electric field generated by a non-conducting cylinder, specifically focusing on the calculations involving linear charge density and the application of Gauss's law. Participants are examining the correctness of derived equations and the dimensional analysis associated with them.

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  • Participants are questioning the validity of the calculated electric field and its dimensional consistency. There are discussions about the correct application of Gauss's law and the potential misquoting of equations. Some participants express uncertainty about their calculations and the implications of rounding errors.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's calculations and questioning assumptions. There is acknowledgment of potential errors in the equations used, and some participants are exploring the implications of cylindrical symmetry on the electric field calculations.

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Participants are navigating through the complexities of dimensional analysis and the theoretical framework of Gauss's law, with some expressing confusion over the correct formulation of the electric field equation. There is a mention of rounding errors and the need for clarity in the equations being referenced.

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Homework Statement
We have a very long and non-conducting cylinder with radius r=0.021 m and even charge distribution with volume density ρ=0.18 μC/m3.

a) What is the electric field outside the cylinder with x=0.042 m from the axis of cylinder?
b) What is the electric field inside the cylinder with y=0.0087 m from the axis of cylinder?
Relevant Equations
Q=λl = ρAl = lρπr^2 (charge caused) (1)
E = λ / (2πεx^2) (electric field of cylinder) (2)
ε = 8.8542*10^-12 C^2/(Nm^2)
a) I have calculated (1) λ = ρA = ρπr^2 = 2.49 * 10^-10 C/m and placed it into (2) yielding E = λ / (2πεx^2) = 106.73 N/C.

This doesn't seem to be correct by the feedback, however.

b) Here just to consider the proportion of the cylinder mass constrained by y.
 
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MahalMuh said:
E = λ / (2πεx^2) = 106.73 N/C.
Are you sure that calculation yields N/C? Check the dimensions.
 
haruspex said:
Are you sure that calculation yields N/C? Check the dimensions.

My checking says yes it does but I'm probably wrong.
 
MahalMuh said:
My checking says yes it does but I'm probably wrong.
##[\rho]=QL^{-3}##
##[r^2]=L^2##
##[x^{-2}]=L^{-2}##
##[\frac1{\epsilon_0}]=ML^3T^{-2}Q^{-2}##
From which I get ##MT^{-2}Q^{-1}##, not ##MLT^{-2}Q^{-1}##.

Where do you think you might have lost a dimension L?
 
Your mistake is in No.2 of the equations in the list of relevant equations. Check again your theory and how we do apply Gauss's law in integral form to determine the electric field in this system.
 
Actually I had it right, just had it rounded wrong. No need for integrals here. In b) the proportion was opposite / complement of what my intuition said.
 
MahalMuh said:
Actually I had it right, just had it rounded wrong. No need for integrals here. In b) the proportion was opposite / complement of what my intuition said.
You fooled us both by misquoting an equation. You wrote
MahalMuh said:
E = λ / (2πεx^2)
which is wrong, but to get the answer you got you must have used the correct version:
E = λ / (2πεx)
 
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haruspex said:
You fooled us both by misquoting an equation. You wrote

which is wrong, but to get the answer you got you must have used the correct version:
E = λ / (2πεx)

True, thanks for spotting. Keyboard always trickier than pen & paper.
 
MahalMuh said:
No need for integrals here
No actually we don't do an integral because the E-field has azimuthal and z symmetry (cylindrical symmetry in one word), however we apply the integral form of Gauss's law to correctly calculate the E-field, inside and outside of the thin cylinder.
 

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