Electric Potential and Energy on a Circular Arc?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electric potential at the center of a circular arc due to three point charges, as well as determining the electric potential energy of a point charge placed at that center. The subject area includes concepts of electric potential and energy in electrostatics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the method for calculating the electric potential, with some suggesting that the original poster's approach may not be correct. There are questions about the treatment of potential as a scalar quantity and the validity of the calculations presented.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively questioning the original poster's process and exploring alternative methods for calculating the potential. Some guidance has been offered regarding the calculation of potential due to individual charges, and there is a recognition of the simplicity of the approach when the distances are uniform.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of potential confusion regarding the signs of charges and the powers of ten in calculations. The original poster has mentioned consulting a tutor, which suggests external input is influencing the discussion.

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Homework Statement


three point charges are located on a circular arc as shown:
a) find the electric potential at the centre of the arc (point P)
b) find the electric potential energy of a 25 pC point charge placed at P


Diagram: [ r= 4 cm = 0.04 m]

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The Attempt at a Solution



a) so i know the vertical components of the tension of Q1 and Q3 will cancel out therefore.

Q1 = (3 x 10^-9)(cos30)
Q1 = 2.598 x 10^-9 C

Q3 = (3 x 10^-9)(cos30)
Q3 = 2.598 x 10^-9 C

Q2 = -2 x 10^-9 C

Qtot= -2 x 10^-9 C + 2.598 x 10^-9 C + 2.598 x 10^-9 C
Qtot= 3.18 x 10^-9 C

Vp = KQtot/d
Vp = (9x10^-9 NM^2/c^2)(3.18 x 10^-9 C)/(0.04m)
Vp = 715.5 v

b) Eel = + K Qtot q / d
Eel = (9x10^-9 NM^2/c^2)(3.18 x 10^-9 C)(25x 10^12 C)/(0.04m)
Eel = + 17 nJ

so it will take 17 x 10^-9 to pull the P point?
 
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Lolagoeslala said:
a) so i know the vertical components of the tension of Q1 and Q3 will cancel out therefore.
The question is about potential (a scalar), not field. There's no cancelling out of components.
 
haruspex said:
The question is about potential (a scalar), not field. There's no cancelling out of components.

ok i see... because potential is scaler
but is my process. correct..
i took this up with my tutor...
he gave me this process..
but i just want to make sure. I am doing it okay..
 
Lolagoeslala said:
but is my process. correct..
No, it's much easier. Just calculate the potential due to each charge separately (q/4πε0r) and add them up. Since the r's are all the same it's particularly easy.
(I make the answer about 900V.)
Some of the signs look wrong on your powers of 10, but they don't seem to have worked through into your answers, so I'm guessing that's an error in writing the post.
 
haruspex said:
No, it's much easier. Just calculate the potential due to each charge separately (q/4πε0r) and add them up. Since the r's are all the same it's particularly easy.
(I make the answer about 900V.)
Some of the signs look wrong on your powers of 10, but they don't seem to have worked through into your answers, so I'm guessing that's an error in writing the post.

so, my process is not correct?
and u need to use the equation
What is that equation .. i have never seen that before...
 
Lolagoeslala said:
so, my process is not correct?
and u need to use the equation
What is that equation .. i have never seen that before...
[itex]\displaystyle\frac{q}{4\pi\varepsilon_0 r}\ \[/itex] is the same as [itex]\displaystyle \ \ k\frac{q}{r}\ \[/itex] and it's not an equation (there's no equal sign), it's a mathematical expression or formula.
 

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