Electric potential and velocity of a proton

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The discussion revolves around the motion of a proton in an electric field, specifically analyzing its speed at two points based on the change in electric potential. The original poster seeks to understand the relationship between electric potential and kinetic energy in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Exploratory

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the concept of energy conservation, questioning how to relate electric potential energy to kinetic energy. There is a focus on understanding the implications of potential differences and how they affect the proton's motion.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the relationship between electric potential and kinetic energy, suggesting that the potential energy lost by the proton translates into kinetic energy gained. However, there is still confusion among some members regarding the calculations and concepts involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of understanding electric potential and its measurement per unit charge, as well as the need to clarify the total energy lost versus energy per unit charge. There is an acknowledgment of the original poster's struggle with the chapter's concepts.

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Homework Statement


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A proton's speed as it passes point A is 4.40×10^4 m/s. It follows the trajectory shown in the figure.

What is the proton's speed at point B?


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Knowing this would be very helpful

The Attempt at a Solution



No attempt yet...If I knew what formulas to use, that would be very helpful.
 
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By definition, an electric field is accelerating the charge in the direction of decreasing electric potential. Hence, the charge's kinetic energy (and therefore velocity) is increasing.

But you don't know the electric field and therefore the force. So how do you figure out the change in kinetic energy? Because you know the potential, which is equivalent information. Think about it in terms of conservation of energy. The proton loses electric potential energy in moving from point A to B, which means that it must gain exactly that amount of kinetic energy. And you know, from the diagram, exactly how much potential energy per unit charge is lost in going from A to B. NOW do you understand what calculations need to be carried out?

Physics is not about memorizing formulae, it's about understanding and applying concepts. We can teach you equations, but if you don't understand physics, you won't know which ones to use in which situations. ;-)
 
Sadly, I still do not understand. This entire chapter confuses me.
 
Okay. To summarize what I said in my second paragraph:

potential energy lost = kinetic energy gained.

potential energy lost is depicted on the diagram. The lines shown are lines of constant electric potential (like contours). The proton is crossing them, going "downhill" as it were. How much potential energy does it lose?
 
40v?
 
Right, exactly. The potential difference is 30 V - (-10 V) = 40 V.

Now, electric potential is potential energy PER UNIT CHARGE (1 volt = 1 joule/coulomb).
So, given *that* potential difference (40 V) between points A and B, how much does the potential energy of this *particular* charge decrease?
 
1 v = 1 j/c

so...

40 v = 40 j/c

40 j/c
 
Dude, that's how much energy is lost PER UNIT charge. I asked you for the total amount of potential energy lost (in JOULES! Energy is measured in joules). Hint, we have a certain *amount* of charge passing by, and we know how much energy is lost per UNIT of charge.

Edit: You need to review the concept of electric potential. Make sure you understand why I am saying what I am saying. Electric potential measures how much potential energy there is at a point PER UNIT charge. I.e. a "test" charge of 1 coulomb sitting at that point would have that potential energy.
 
Alright, thanks for the help. I shall try again later after reviewing the material.
 

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