Electrical charge, current definitions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the definitions and concepts of electrical charge and current. Participants explore the nature of electrical charge, its types, and the relationship between charge and current, incorporating both theoretical and conceptual aspects.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether electrical charge can be defined as a measure of the abundance of electrons within a system.
  • Current is described as the amount of charge flowing between two points over a given time, with some clarification on its definition as charge in motion.
  • There is uncertainty regarding the existence of "neutral electric charge," with participants discussing whether it can be considered a type of charge alongside positive and negative charges.
  • Some participants note that electrical charge is a conserved quantity that comes in two types, labeled positive and negative, and discuss the implications of this classification.
  • Participants explore the conventions of charge interactions, such as attraction and repulsion, and the terminology used to describe objects with no charge.
  • There are repeated statements and clarifications regarding the definitions of positive and negative charges in relation to their interactions with charged surfaces.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the definitions and implications of electrical charge and current, with no consensus reached on the nature of "neutral electric charge" or the precise definitions of charge interactions.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions include assumptions about the historical naming conventions of charge and the implications of charge interactions, which remain unresolved.

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What is electrical charge?
is it a measure of the abundance of electrons within a system?

Current is defined as the amount of charge flowing between any two points in a system over a given period of time, correct?

but what is elctrical charge if possible to define it better/further. I am also confused as to how many types of charge there exist, our professer said neutral electric charge is also one type apart from positive and negative! is this correct?

I know that we don't know why there exists only negative and positive cahrges, and its hard to define what charge is but perhaps someone can explain in a better way, and is "neutral electric charge" a thing?

thanks for your time!
 
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Bipolar Demon said:
What is electrical charge?...I know that we don't know why there exists only negative and positive cahrges, and its hard to define what charge is
We made observations and did experiments to discover how the universe behaves, and we discovered is that there is something that is conserved, that comes in two flavors (which we arbitrarily label positive and negative), that like repels and unlike attracts, and that causes a force that obeys Coulomb's law. Now we need a name for that thing, and for historical reasons the name is "electrical charge".

is "neutral electric charge" a thing?
If something is attracted to a negatively charged surface we say that it has a positive charge, and if something is repelled by a negatively charged surface we say that it is has a positive negative charge. So what do we say about something that is neither attracted nor repelled by a charged surface?

We could say that its electric charge is zero, or that it has no charge, or that it is neither positive nor negative... Or we could say "neutral".
 
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Bipolar Demon said:
What is electrical charge?...I know that we don't know why there exists only negative and positive cahrges, and its hard to define what charge is
We made observations and did experiments to discover how the universe behaves, and we discovered is that there is something that is conserved, that comes in two flavors (which we arbitrarily label positive and negative), that like repels and unlike attracts, and that causes a force that obeys Coulomb's law. Now we need a name for that thing, and for historical reasons the name is "electrical charge".

is "neutral electric charge" a thing?
If something is attracted to a negatively charged surface we say that it has a positive charge, and if something is repelled by a negatively charged surface we say that it is has a positive charge. So what do we say about something that is neither attracted nor repelled by a charged surface?

We could say that its electric charge is zero, or that it has no charge, or that it is neither positive nor negative... Or we could say "neutral".
 
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I think I liked it more the second time around. :wink:
 
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sophiecentaur said:
I think I liked it more the second time around. :wink:
its alright, anyone taking their time out to help me gets my likes...no matter how many replicated posts :P
Nugatory said:
and if something is repelled by a negatively charged surface we say that it is has a positive charge.
I also think Mr Nugatory means if something is repelled by a positively charged surface it is positively charged!
 
Bipolar Demon said:
I also think Mr Nugatory means if something is attracted to a positively charged surface it is negatively charged
Yes. That is the convention we have decided upon - toss of a coin which way round it turned out.
 
Bipolar Demon said:
I also think Mr Nugatory means if something is repelled by a positively charged surface it is positively charged!

I've left the duplicate post up because everyone seems to be having so much fun with it... And yes, of course I meant negative repels negative, positve repels positive, and negative and positive attract one another... A hazard of typing too fast...
 
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Are you positive about that?
 
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Bipolar Demon said:
What is electrical charge? Is it a measure of the abundance of electrons within a system?
Surplus/deficit of electrons is also an acceptable working picture.
Bipolar Demon said:
Current is defined as the amount of charge flowing between any two points in a system over a given period of time, correct?
The generic definition is charge in motion. In the particular sense, current is the amount of charge moving past a point divided by time (I=Q/t).
 
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