Electrical Circuits Reactive Networks Question

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The discussion revolves around a homework problem related to electrical circuits, specifically focusing on reactive networks involving inductors and capacitors at varying frequency conditions. Participants explore the behavior of these components at low and high frequencies, as well as the implications for current and voltage in the circuit.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that at low frequency, capacitors act as open circuits, resulting in zero current and voltage at the load.
  • Another participant questions why current wouldn't flow through the resistors to reach the load, given that capacitors are open at low frequencies.
  • A response suggests that inductors create short circuits, isolating the resistors and the load from the current path.
  • It is noted that inductors will curtail any signal that attempts to pass through the resistors, behaving like shorts to ground.
  • Some participants discuss the concept of "unit cell" behavior and mention bridged T filters, suggesting that there might be properties that allow for a transfer function approach.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about parts C and D of the problem, indicating a lack of familiarity with the relevant concepts.
  • Another participant confirms the assumption that signals are shorted to ground and that no current reaches the load after passing through Rs and the first resistor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the behavior of the circuit at low frequencies, particularly regarding the role of inductors and capacitors. However, there remains uncertainty and lack of consensus on the implications for parts C and D of the problem, as well as the overall approach to solving it.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of missing assumptions regarding the behavior of the circuit components and the application of transfer functions, which have not been fully explored by all participants.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


At low voltage frequency (inductors) L become short circuit and (capacitors) C becomes open circuit
At high voltage frequency (inductors) L become open circuit and (capacitors) C becomes short circuit

The Attempt at a Solution



Part A
At low frequency, all the capacitors are open, so no current can't run beyond Rs. Hence current at the load is zero so voltage is also zero

Part B
At high frequency, all the inductors are open, so the only path for the current is through Rs and around all the loops at the top where all the capacitors use to be (skipping all resistors)

So now it is the voltage supply Rs and the load in series, so a voltage divider can be used to workout the voltage across the load

V1 = V(Supply) x R1 / (R1 + R2)

v(Load) = 10 x 35 / (35 + 30) = 5.384615

Part C
I am assuming the angular frequency has no effect on the voltage as T = 1/f and omega = 2PIf so the frequency cancels out
This is most likely wrong

Part D
Using the same value from Part C, I would use P = V^2/R where R is 35

I think I have the first two parts correct and the last two parts wrong
any help?
 
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johnwillbert82 said:
Part A
At low frequency, all the capacitors are open, so no current can't run beyond Rs. Hence current at the load is zero so voltage is also zero
At low frequencies, current won't see a path through the capacitors, so why wouldn't current flow through the resistors to reach the load?
 
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Because of the short circuits were all the inductors use to be, thus the resistors and the load are isolated
 
At low frequencies the inductors will quickly curtail any signal that tries to take the resistor route; They'll look like shorts to ground along the path.

Parts (c) and (d) look like you're supposed to know something significant about the "unit cell" behavior, since there are three identical filter sections in cascade. I can identify them as so-called bridged T filters. Perhaps there's a property of them that allows you to use transfer function approach?
 
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gneill said:
At low frequencies the inductors will quickly curtail any signal that tries to take the resistor route; They'll look like shorts to ground along the path.

Parts (c) and (d) look like you're supposed to know something significant about the "unit cell" behavior, since there are three identical filter sections in cascade. I can identify them as so-called bridged T filters. Perhaps there's a property of them that allows you to use transfer function approach?

So am I right to assume since the signals are "shorted to ground", that after current passes through Rs and the first resistor, it is "curtailed" by any inductors and no other resistors or the load receives any current, which is why I put zero.

In regards to C and D, don't think I've learned about any of that yet but thanks
 
johnwillbert82 said:
So am I right to assume since the signals are "shorted to ground", that after current passes through Rs and the first resistor, it is "curtailed" by any inductors and no other resistors or the load receives any current, which is why I put zero.
Yes.
 
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johnwillbert82 said:
So am I right to assume since the signals are "shorted to ground", that after current passes through Rs and the first resistor, it is "curtailed" by any inductors and no other resistors or the load receives any current, which is why I put zero.
That is correct, and an improvement on how you explained it earlier.

In regards to C and D, don't think I've learned about any of that yet but thanks
Any idea how you might be expected to attack this problem? Have you looked at something similar to it in class, perhaps calculated the bridged-T resonant frequencies?
 
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NascentOxygen said:
That is correct, and an improvement on how you explained it earlier.Any idea how you might be expected to attack this problem? Have you looked at something similar to it in class, perhaps calculated the bridged-T resonant frequencies?

Alright thanks for the help and clarification :)

Nope, no idea at all on these, going to review my notes and lectures and see if there's anything I've missed
 

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