Electro-Magnet with a Car Battery Help

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the creation of an electromagnet using a car battery. Participants explore the specifications of the battery, including voltage, cranking amps, reserve capacity, and amp hour ratings, while also debating the appropriate wire type and gauge for the project.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Owen seeks clarification on the specifications of a car battery, specifically the meaning of 12V, 390A, 65 RC, and 43 AH.
  • One participant explains the battery ratings, indicating that cranking amps are for short bursts of current and that reserve capacity measures how long the battery can discharge a certain amount of current.
  • Owen questions whether using steel wire instead of copper wire is feasible for the electromagnet, expressing concerns about cost.
  • A participant warns against using iron wire due to its high resistance, suggesting that it would not be suitable for the application.
  • Owen inquires about the safety of connecting wire directly to the battery terminals and whether the length of wire is necessary to manage the voltage output.
  • Another participant comments on the resistance of 404ft of 14-gauge wire, providing a link to a resource for further information.
  • Owen expresses concern about the compatibility of crafting wire with the power requirements of the electromagnet.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants provide various explanations and suggestions, but there is no consensus on the best wire type or the safety of directly connecting the wire to the battery terminals. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal approach for constructing the electromagnet.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully explored the implications of wire gauge and length on the electromagnet's performance, nor have they reached a conclusion on the suitability of different wire materials.

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Hello everyone.

I'm glad to be part of the Physics Community, I've read a lot of interesting threads, and I think now I'm ready to be party of it!

For my project, I'm trying to create a ElectroMagnet using a Car Battery. The specifications for this battery are..

  • 12V
  • 390A
  • 65 RC - What does this mean?
  • 43 AH - What does this mean?

As you can see, I have no idea what those two mean, so any info would be nice :)

Looking on amazon.com for some wire for my electromagnet, I searched a post before saying I would need at least 404ft of wire. I don't want to short circuit the battery, so I think that might be enough?

Also a question. I came across this on amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0046ECYOQ/?tag=pfamazon01-20

Would it be possible to use Steel wire than copper wire? Or would copper wire be the only option? I'm thinking around £10-16 maximum I'm willing to spend.

Any help would be appreciated.

- Owen.
 
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12, volts
390A, cranking amps
RC65, is for reserve capacity
AH43, Amp Hour capacity until fully discharged.

This is a starting battery that's optimized to give very high "short" bursts of current.

CA is cranking amps measured at 32 degrees F. This rating is also called marine cranking amps (MCA). Hot cranking amps (HCA) is seldom used any longer but is measured at 80 ° F.

Reserve Capacity (RC) is a very important rating. This is the number of minutes a fully charged battery at 80 ° F will discharge 25 amps until the battery drops below 10.5 volts.

An amp hour (AH) is a rating usually found on deep cycle batteries. If a battery is rated at 100 amp hours it should deliver 5 amps for 20 hours, 20 amps for 5 hours, etc.
Don't use iron wire unless you want to create a space heater. The resistance is far too high. That fence wire for high voltage, low current applications.

http://www.batterystuff.com/tutorial_battery.html
 
Ah ok then. Thanks for the info and site!

If I wanted to create this magnet, when I say would it be safe of doing it directly, Wire to terminals? Or would I need to have at least 404ft of 14gauge copper wire to compensate for the voltage it is giving out?
 
Yes, it is a lot, but I was thinking of this:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003M67VUG/?tag=pfamazon01-20

When it says crafting, I'm guessing it won't be compatible with holding the amount of power I'm trying to push threw it.
 

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