Electromagnet not repelling neodymium magnet

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges of using an electromagnet to repel a neodymium magnet. Participants explore the conditions under which repulsion might occur, including the configuration of the electromagnet and the strength of its magnetic field.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their setup with an electromagnet powered by a car battery charger and notes the inability to achieve repulsion with a neodymium magnet.
  • Another participant suggests that the electromagnet may need more turns of wire or increased current to generate a sufficient magnetic field for repulsion.
  • A different participant explains that the neodymium magnet induces a strong magnetic field in the soft iron of the electromagnet, which leads to attraction rather than repulsion unless a stronger opposing magnetic field is produced.
  • This participant also proposes a method for testing the interaction between the electromagnet and the neodymium magnet using a digital scale to measure changes in weight due to magnetic forces.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of achieving repulsion with the current setup, with some suggesting modifications while others express skepticism about the potential for success.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions about the efficiency of the electromagnet and the strength of the neodymium magnet that remain unexamined. The discussion does not resolve the effectiveness of the proposed solutions.

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Hello this is my first time to post.
I have an electromagnet powered by a car battery charger set at 12 volts the problem is I can't get the electromagnet to repel the neodymium magnet. I have tried switching around the positive and negative leads of the power supply and switching the side of the magnet that is facing the electromagnet. The electromagnet will pick up a wire strippers yet it won't repel a magnet. So I'm just wondering does anyone know what I'm doing wrong.
 
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The magnet will be attracted to the iron of the electromagnet and will not be repelled unless you can generate enough magnetic field from the current in the coil.

So, you may need more turns of wire on your electromagnet or more current in it, or both.
 
Ok thanks I'll try that.
 
OK, but don't expect too much success.

The very powerful Neodymium magnet induces a strong magnet in the soft iron of the electro magnet. This magnet has a polarity such that it attracts the Neodymium magnet.

To repel the Neodymium magnet, you would need to produce a stronger magnet of opposite polarity with the electromagnet.

Unless it is very efficient, I don't think you will be able to do this.

A very effective way of testing this is to tape the magnet to the pan of a digital scale ( weighing device) with one pole pointing upwards, and mount the electro magnet above it, but not close enough that they move towards each other.

Note the weight of the magnet, then apply current to the electro magnet and note the change in weight of the magnet.

With one direction of current, the electromagnet will increase the attraction of the magnet (and reduce the weight reading on the scale) and in the other direction of current, there will be an increase in weight due to repulsion.
 
I'll try that
 

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