Electromagnetic Black hole phenomena

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of electromagnetic "black hole" phenomena, particularly in relation to how it might concentrate light and the implications of such a phenomenon on established physical laws, specifically the second law of thermodynamics. Participants explore the theoretical and conceptual aspects of this idea, questioning its validity and potential applications.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express intrigue about the potential of electromagnetic black holes to concentrate diffuse light, suggesting it could represent a significant discovery.
  • Others raise concerns that such concentration of light might violate the second law of thermodynamics, questioning the feasibility of the phenomenon.
  • There is skepticism regarding the clarity of the original article, with some participants finding the science writer's explanation to be unclear and potentially sensationalized.
  • One participant speculates that light may follow spiraling paths similar to those near an event horizon, but questions whether this effect is frequency sensitive, suggesting that only certain wavelengths might behave as described.
  • Another participant proposes that the phenomenon might only be applicable to microwaves, while the original claims suggest it could also apply to optical light.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; there are multiple competing views regarding the validity and implications of electromagnetic black holes, particularly concerning their relationship with established physical laws.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the assumptions underlying the claims made in the original article, particularly regarding the applicability of the phenomenon to different wavelengths of light and its compliance with thermodynamic principles.

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Electromagnetic "Black hole" phenomena

Just read the article and you will understand the title. I'm not sure where I should put this so if you want to move it go ahead. But this shows great potential in my eyes. A brilliant discovery if made applicable.

http://blog.taragana.com/n/scientists-create-electromagnetic-black-hole-that-sucks-in-surrounding-light-196707/

http://www.dnaindia.com/scitech/rep...-hole-that-sucks-in-surrounding-light_1299290
 
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Interesting.
But if that thing can indeed concentrate completely diffuse light it would violate the second law of thermodynamics.
 


DrZoidberg said:
Interesting.
But if that thing can indeed concentrate completely diffuse light it would violate the second law of thermodynamics.

That's what I was thinking. The science writer is horribly obtuse, so it's difficult to sort out what what the ideal is all about.

I think the idea here is that light will take spiraling paths to where it is intended to go, as the spiraling paths of light do near an event horizon. This would be a novel idea to me.

Now I would ask, if my guess is right, "isn't it frequency sensitive so that only narrow bands will follow decending paths and the rest scattered." I think this is sensational reporting. My initial take is that this is hyperbole.
 
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Phrak said:
That's what I was thinking. The science writer is horribly obtuse, so it's difficult to sort out what what the ideal is all about.

I think the idea here is that light will take spiraling paths to where it is intended to go, as the spiraling paths of light do near an event horizon. This would be a novel idea to me.

Now I would ask, if my guess is right, "isn't it frequency sensitive so that only narrow bands will follow decending paths and the rest scattered." I think this is sensational reporting. My initial take is that this is hyperbole.

I think that it only works for microwaves. But they say the same principle can apply to optical light.

How exactly does it violate the 2nd law?
 

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