Electromagnetic Stress Energy Tensor Formula (-,+,+,+)

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The discussion centers around the correct formulation of the electromagnetic stress-energy tensor, particularly in the context of different sign conventions for the metric and the tensor itself. Participants explore the implications of these conventions in both flat and curved spacetime scenarios.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a formula for the electromagnetic stress-energy tensor with a specific sign convention and questions its correctness compared to an alternative formulation with a negative sign.
  • Another participant notes that the correct formula depends on the chosen sign conventions for both the metric and the stress-energy tensor, referencing a source that discusses various conventions.
  • A participant corrects a previous post regarding the author’s name and clarifies the relationship between the metric and its inverse, emphasizing the common use of the symbol for flat spacetime.
  • A further contribution cites a source that uses the same sign convention for the metric and provides a specific formulation for the stress-energy tensor, indicating a positive sign for the tensor in relation to the Einstein tensor.
  • One participant proposes a scenario involving a charged object near Earth, suggesting the use of the Schwarzschild metric in the weak field approximation to derive the electromagnetic stress-energy tensor.

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Participants express differing views on the correct formulation of the electromagnetic stress-energy tensor, with no consensus reached on which sign convention is universally accepted. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these conventions.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the dependence of the formulations on various sign conventions, indicating that the choice of metric signature and stress-energy tensor sign can lead to different expressions. There is also mention of the need to consider the inverse metric in curved spacetime scenarios.

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Formula for the Electromagnetic Stress Energy Tensor
I am trying to find the correct formula for the electromagnetic stress energy tensor with the sign convention of (-, +, +, +).
Is it (from Ben Cromwell at Fullerton College):

$$T^{\mu \nu} = \frac{1}{\mu_0}(F^{\mu \alpha}F^{\nu}{}_{\alpha} - \frac{1}{4}g^{\mu\nu}F_{\alpha\beta}F^{\alpha \beta})$$

but I have also seen it with a negative sign:

$$T^{\mu \nu} = -\frac{1}{\mu_0}(F^{\mu \alpha}F^{\nu}{}_{\alpha} - \frac{1}{4}g^{\mu\nu}F_{\alpha\beta}F^{\alpha \beta})$$

Which is the correct formula? Also for flat space-time ##g^{\mu\nu} = \eta^{\mu\nu}## and for curved space-time ##g^{\mu\nu}## is whatever metric being used for the curved space-time situation one is working in, correct?

Thanks.
 
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This depends not only on your sign convention for the metric but also on your sign convention for the stress-energy tensor, i.e. the sign in ##G_{\mu\nu} = \pm 8\pi G T_{\mu\nu}##. MTW has a nice compilation of the different sign conventions used in many of the popular texts.

In general, there are three sign conventions of note at work in GR:
  • The metric signature.
  • The sign of the stress-energy tensor.
  • The sign of the Ricci tensor.
Combinations of those signs show up in varying formulas.
 
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Jay21 said:
Ben Cromwell at Fullerton College)
Crowell, to be pedantic. He used to post here.
Jay21 said:
Also for flat space-time ##g^{\mu\nu} = \eta^{\mu\nu}## and for curved space-time ##g^{\mu\nu}## is whatever metric being used for the curved space-time situation one is working in, correct?
More or less. ## g^{\mu\nu}## is the inverse metric - the metric has lower indices. But the same information is in both. And yes, ##\eta_{\mu\nu}## is usually used as a symbol for the metric of flat spacetime. There's nothing different about it, but it's such an important special case it gets its own symbol.
 
From Misner... who uses the convention of (-, +, +, +) for the metric ##g^{\mu\nu}##,
with the electromagnetic stress energy tensor being(pg.141):
$$T^{\mu \nu} = \frac{1}{\mu_0}(F^{\mu \alpha}F^{\nu}{}_{\alpha} - \frac{1}{4}g^{\mu\nu}F_{\alpha\beta}F^{\alpha \beta})$$
and then a positive sign for the stress energy tensor:
$$G_{\mu\nu} = 8\pi GT_{\mu\nu}$$
I think I now understand where all of the different signs come from.

Imagine a scenario of a charged object near Earth or at Earth's surface. Its mass is negligible but its E and B fields are not negligible. Therefore, to find the electromagnetic stress energy tensor of this object near the curvature of Earth, I would use the Schwarzschild metric in the weak field approximation, with M being the mass of Earth, as the metric (after finding the inverse of course) in the formula,##g^{\mu\nu}##, for the electromagnetic stress energy tensor, correct?

Thanks.
 
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