Electromagnetic Tensor in (-+++) Convention

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the definition and implications of the electromagnetic tensor in the context of different metric signature conventions, specifically the (-+++) convention versus the more commonly used (+---) convention. Participants explore the effects of these conventions on the components of the electromagnetic tensor and the derivation of the Lorentz force from the Lagrangian.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the definition of the electromagnetic tensor changes with the metric signature convention, noting that the matrix form changes but seeking clarification on the component definitions in terms of the vector potential.
  • Another participant references an external discussion that addresses the relationship between the metric signature and the definition of the electromagnetic tensor.
  • A participant points out that there are different conventions regarding the index structure of the electromagnetic tensor, mentioning the ;-notation versus the ∇-notation.
  • One participant suggests a potential correction to the Lagrangian formulation, proposing that it should include a positive term for the vector potential when using the (-+++) convention.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the metric signature conventions, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct formulation of the Lagrangian and the definitions of the electromagnetic tensor components.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the conventions and the potential impact on the derivation of physical results, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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Hi there,

Over the last couple of weeks, I have been learning about the relativistic description of electromagnetism through Leonard Susskind's Theoretical Minimum lectures, and although I have managed to follow it, there are some parts which I am becoming increasingly confused by, not helped by the fact Susskind uses the (-+++) convention rather than the seemingly more popular (+---).

Is the definition of the electromagnetic tensor different depending on the convention? I am aware that the matrix changes (the contravariant and covariant forms are multiplied by -1 when moving between conventions), but does the definition of each component in terms of the vector potential change?

The reason I ask this is because when deriving the relativistic Lorentz force from the Lagrangian:
L=-m√(-dXϑ/dt dXϑ/dt)-qAϑ dXϑ/dt
I always seem to get the following answer (using the (-+++) convention):
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Which is the negative of what I would expect from the definition of the Electromagnetic Tensor.

Any help would be appreciated, and thanks in advance.
 
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Note that there are also conventions regarding the index structure of F...
the ;-notation vs the ∇-notation.
 
Maybe the Lagrangian should be:
L=-m√(-dXϑ/dt dXϑ/dt)+qAϑ dXϑ/dt
when using the (-+++) convention?
 

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