Electromagnetic Waves: A Confusing Abstraction

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The discussion centers on the complexities of understanding electromagnetic waves, particularly the distinction between abstract models and physical reality. Key points include the definition of wavelength as the distance between points of maximum field strength in the direction of propagation and the confusion surrounding the movement of electric fields associated with moving charges. Participants emphasize the challenge of reconciling abstract concepts with tangible physical phenomena, highlighting the need for clearer explanations of what constitutes "propagation" in electromagnetic theory.

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  • Understanding of basic physics concepts, particularly waves and fields.
  • Familiarity with electromagnetic theory, including Maxwell's equations.
  • Knowledge of electric fields and their behavior in electrostatics.
  • Basic grasp of the differences between physical and abstract models in physics.
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  • Study Maxwell's equations to gain a deeper understanding of electromagnetic wave propagation.
  • Explore the concept of wavelength in electromagnetic waves and its implications in different media.
  • Investigate the behavior of electric fields around moving charges, particularly using field line diagrams.
  • Research the philosophical implications of abstract models in physics and their relationship to observable phenomena.
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I am having some trouble understanding the concept of electromagnetic waves, I suppose because I expect them to be analogous to physical waves you can see or touch (such as on a string). Yes, I know one can actually see them at visible wavelengths, but that doesn't help because I don't experience light as a wave.

First of all, there's wavelength. This should be a physical distance, according to the units, but the question is: the distance from where in space to where?

Someone tried explaining to me something to the effect that, if one of the fields is at its maximum strength at some point in space, the distance between that point and the next point in space at which that same maximum occurs (along the direction of propagation) determines the wavelength. Well, that raises the question of what exactly is "propagating." I'm sure my old professor would say that the fields are propagating, but that tells me nothing about the real world because the fields are just abstractions, not actual objects that can move. So, what precisely is moving along?

Also, please help me out with the electric field of a moving charge. If we have a single charged particle just sitting somewhere, the electric field can be represented by field lines pointing outward radially. If the particle starts moving, I'm picturing those field lines picking up stakes and moving right along with it, so that, at any instant in time, the electric field is exactly the same as in the case of electrostatics. I'm guessing that's totally wrong, though.

I think my biggest problem is my inability to tell the difference between what physics explanations are just part of an abstract model and what is actually, physically going on, or what could be detected. Of course, in a sense physics is all abstract models, but hopefully people understand what I mean when I assert that some of it is more "real" (things we can touch and see, like force or friction) than other parts of it (things that are totally made up, like fields).

Thanks.
 
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good question, I'm waiting for some answer too :biggrin:
 

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