Electromagnetism question, what formula

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The discussion revolves around the effects of motion through a uniform magnetic field and the corresponding electric and magnetic fields observed. Participants explore various scenarios involving constant and changing velocities, as well as the implications of moving through electric fields. The inquiry seeks to identify relevant formulas for understanding these phenomena.

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  • One participant asks about the nature of electric and magnetic fields experienced when moving perpendicularly through a uniform magnetic field at constant velocity.
  • Another participant questions the velocity of the observer, particularly in relation to the speed of light, and its implications for the magnetic field's uniformity.
  • A participant references transformation equations for electric and magnetic fields between inertial reference frames, suggesting that both fields are affected by motion.
  • There is mention of Lorentz transformations and specific equations for transforming electric and magnetic fields, indicating that if one field is zero in one frame, the other will not be zero in another frame.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the relationship between the uniformity of the magnetic field and the observer's motion, indicating a need for clarification.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the implications of motion through magnetic and electric fields, and multiple viewpoints regarding the effects of velocity and field transformations remain present.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the assumptions underlying their questions, particularly regarding the uniformity of the magnetic field and the conditions of motion. There are unresolved aspects concerning the mathematical steps involved in field transformations.

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I'd like to know what formula to use in order to find the following :
Imagine a uniform magnetic field. I am moving with a constant velocity perpendicularly through it. Do I see only an electric field? A magnetic field? Both? Or both of them?
What if I move in the sense of the magnetic field with a constant velocity?

What if my velocity changes with time?
What if, instead of the magnetic field, it's an electric field?

I do not expect the answer to all these questions, rather I'd like a formula to check it out myself. But if you have to say a word or even give the answer, I'm all ears.
Thanks in advance.
 
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What velocity are you traveling with? If it's much lower than the speed of light:

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Pythagorean said:
What velocity are you traveling with? If it's much lower than the speed of light:

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Thanks a lot. I'm a bit confused, if B is uniform, if I move, [tex]\frac{\partial B}{\partial t}=0[/tex] or I'm wrong?
 
To look at EM in another velocity you need to use a lorentz transformation of the field. If you are familiar with vectors, J.D. Jackson p. 558 gives a useful form:

[tex]\vec{E}' = \gamma (\vec{E} + \vec{\beta} \times \vec{B}) - \frac{\gamma^2}{\gamma + 1} \vec{\beta} (\vec{\beta} \cdot \vec{E})[/tex]

[tex]\vec{B}' = \gamma (\vec{B} - \vec{\beta} \times \vec{E}) - \frac{\gamma^2}{\gamma + 1} \vec{\beta} (\vec{\beta} \cdot \vec{B})[/tex]

[tex]\vec{\beta} = \vec{v}/c[/tex]
[tex]\gamma = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1 - \beta^2}}[/tex]

So, you see if you have one frame where E = 0, and only B != 0. Then in every other frame E' != 0, and B' != 0, since B appears in both terms.
 
kcdodd said:
To look at EM in another velocity you need to use a lorentz transformation of the field. If you are familiar with vectors, J.D. Jackson p. 558 gives a useful form:

[tex]\vec{E}' = \gamma (\vec{E} + \vec{\beta} \times \vec{B}) - \frac{\gamma^2}{\gamma + 1} \vec{\beta} (\vec{\beta} \cdot \vec{E})[/tex]

[tex]\vec{B}' = \gamma (\vec{B} - \vec{\beta} \times \vec{E}) - \frac{\gamma^2}{\gamma + 1} \vec{\beta} (\vec{\beta} \cdot \vec{B})[/tex]

[tex]\vec{\beta} = \vec{v}/c[/tex]
[tex]\gamma = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1 - \beta^2}}[/tex]

So, you see if you have one frame where E = 0, and only B != 0. Then in every other frame E' != 0, and B' != 0, since B appears in both terms.

Ok thank you very much. I'm going to try to grasp this. I took vector calculus. I'm taking the 1 year EM course on next term (in March). I thought I would need it for the intro to EM course, but I'm not sure now. Anyway, I'll do an effort to learn this part.
 

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