Electromagnets: Insulation concern

In summary, using a thick wire will limit how effectively you will be able to turn current into magnetic force.
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I'm constructing an typical electromagnet, wrapping coil x amount of times around a 1" diameter iron bar, and getting power from 'D' cell batteries. My question is how thick can the wire's insulation & jacket be?

Most of the examples I've seen used a nail, with 22-26 gauge copper or magnet wire that has a thin coat of enamel insulation. I'm proposing to use a 5mm (4 gauge I suppose) copper core wire, with nylon insulation and a PVC jacket. The total thickness of the wire is about the size of a pen. Would this type of wire generate a magnetic field?

Thanks.
 
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  • #2
Magnet wire has thin insulation on purpose, so you can stack as many turns as possible in a finite volume. Using wire with thick insulation will limit how effectively you will be able to turn current into magnetic force.

And why are you using such a thick metal wire? You would only use that for very high current carrying capacity, and you are not going to get anything like that with D-cell batteries providing the power.
 
  • #3
berkeman said:
And why are you using such a thick metal wire? You would only use that for very high current carrying capacity, and you are not going to get anything like that with D-cell batteries providing the power.

So it's possible with a higher current? I'm looking to get at least two layers in.
 
  • #4
To maximize your power transfer, you would want to match the resistive load of the coils to the source power supply. Do you know the output resistance of a D battery cell (and how it varies with discharge)? Almost certainly the best wire for you to use will be 28AWG or less, and preferably smaller and with magnet wire insulation.
 
  • #5
Why is it important to have the copper wire insulated? Does insulation increase it's effectiveness?
 
  • #6
Akanero said:
Why is it important to have the copper wire insulated? Does insulation increase it's effectiveness?

Because it's running electricity.
 
  • #7
Akanero said:
Why is it important to have the copper wire insulated? Does insulation increase it's effectiveness?

The wire has to be insulated because, otherwise, the turns of wire could contact the turns of wire next to them.

So, the electric current would go between the wires and not around the coil.

The magnetic field is generated when current flows in many turns of wire.

Short circuiting the turns of wire would result in reduced or no magnetic field.
 
  • #8
You need some insulation but not a lot because electromagnetics operate primarily as "current" devices with very low resistance so the voltage drop between adjacent turns (or even extreme ends) tends to be very small, which means the electric field the insulation must endure is not generally close to the insulator's dielectric strength. This is why a thin layer of enamel (paint) insulation is generally enough for most applications.

As an example, I've working with an electromagnet that runs 100 amperes and it only uses enamel insulations: the end-to-end resistance is only 0.030 ohms so the total voltage drop is still only 3 volts. Enamel insulation is more than enough.

As a side note, the wire has square cross-section because it packs the cross-sectional coil area better than round wire. Just a factoid of interest.
 

1. What is an electromagnet?

An electromagnet is a type of magnet that is created by passing an electric current through a wire. The magnetic field created by the current causes the wire to act like a magnet, with a north and south pole.

2. How does insulation affect an electromagnet?

Insulation is important for electromagnets because it prevents the wire from overheating and potentially melting. It also helps to control the magnetic field and prevent interference from external sources.

3. What types of insulation are commonly used for electromagnets?

The most commonly used insulation materials for electromagnets include plastic, rubber, and enamel. These materials are good at withstanding high temperatures and protecting the wire from damage.

4. What factors should be considered when choosing insulation for an electromagnet?

The most important factor to consider when choosing insulation for an electromagnet is the maximum temperature that the wire will be exposed to. Other factors include the strength of the magnetic field, the type of wire being used, and the potential for external interference.

5. How can insulation be tested for effectiveness in an electromagnet?

Insulation can be tested by measuring the temperature of the wire during use and ensuring that it does not exceed the maximum temperature rating of the insulation material. Additionally, the strength and stability of the magnetic field can also be tested to ensure that the insulation is not interfering with its function.

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