Generating electromagnetic fields with an electromagnet

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around generating electromagnetic fields using an electromagnet, specifically focusing on the design parameters such as coil configuration, input current, and magnetic field strength. Participants explore theoretical calculations and practical considerations related to solenoid design.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes coiling copper wire around an iron core to generate a magnetic field, aiming for a strength of 500 microtesla with a maximum input current of 50 mA.
  • Another participant references a calculation from HyperPhysics regarding solenoid magnetic fields, suggesting it may be relevant to the initial query.
  • A question is raised about the maximum turn density required for the specified parameters, indicating a need for high turn density to achieve the desired magnetic field strength.
  • Some participants emphasize the importance of verifying intuition with mathematical calculations to ensure accuracy in design.
  • There is a discussion about the behavior of the magnetic field strength at the center of the solenoid and how it decreases with distance from the solenoid, prompting further inquiry into the specifics of this behavior.
  • A suggestion is made to consult a NASA document for more precise calculations related to the solenoid's magnetic field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and inquiry regarding the calculations and design parameters, indicating that multiple viewpoints and uncertainties remain regarding the optimal configuration for the electromagnet.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the maximum turn density and the specific calculations for magnetic field strength at different points along the solenoid, as well as the implications of design choices on the generated electromagnetic field.

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Hello,

I am working on a science project to generate electromagnetic fields. From what I understand, the simplest way to do that is to coil copper wire around an iron core. My initial goal is to create a magnetic field with a maximum strength of 500 microtesla. Can this be accomplished if I have a maximum input current of 50 mA, or do I need a higher input current? The other parameters that I wish to use are a radius of no more than 8 cm and a length of no more than 3 cm.

Thank you for any help you can provide!
 
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Thank you, that helps a lot. I guess my next question is about the windings. Given my other specifications, I will need a high turn density. Is there a maximum turn density that can be used?
 
Rydyn said:
I will need a high turn density.
What makes you say that? From that calculator that @jim hardy linked:

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That is 0.1/0.000500 or 200 times more than your requirement.
 

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Rydyn said:
I will need a high turn density.

Always check your intuition against the math.
Otherwise your intuition never gets any better.
 
Ok I think I am getting it now. One last question. The equation gives the strength at the center of the solenoid. Does that mean at the end of the solenoid at the center of the radius(r=0)? From that point, the field strength decreases by z^2 away from the solenoid when r is held at 0, right?
 
Rydyn said:
Does that mean at the end of the solenoid at the center of the radius(r=0)? From that point, the field strength decreases by z^2 away from the solenoid when r is held at 0, right?

You're asking about the behavior near the end?
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To achieve precision is a complicated calculation
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19980227402.pdf
you might calculate a few points using that NASA note and try a east squares fit on them
...
.and i don't pretend to have ever done it

old jim
 

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