Electromagnets Repelling Metal

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the claim that running electricity through a magnet will cause it to repel metal. Participants explore the validity of this statement, considering different contexts and interpretations related to electromagnetism and Lenz's Law.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the accuracy of the statement that electricity through a magnet will repel metal.
  • Another participant mentions that electromagnets can indeed launch non-ferrous metal rings, suggesting a specific application of the concept.
  • A participant proposes that if "magnet" is replaced with "wire" or "conductor," the statement becomes true, referencing Lenz's Law.
  • Further elaboration is requested on how the phenomenon works when the term is changed to "wire" or "conductor."
  • A detailed explanation is provided regarding how a changing current in a wire creates a changing magnetic field that induces a current in a nearby metal plate, leading to a repulsive force due to opposing magnetic fields.
  • Another example of Lenz's Law is shared, illustrating how a moving magnet induces currents in a copper base, resulting in a momentary floating effect before contact.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the original claim. There are competing views regarding the conditions under which repulsion occurs, particularly distinguishing between magnets and conductors.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the definitions of "magnet," "wire," and "conductor," as well as the conditions under which Lenz's Law applies. There are unresolved aspects regarding the interpretation of the original statement.

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I have a small physics book that states that if you run electricity through a magnet it will repel metal. I just want to know if this is true.
 
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I'm pretty sure that is false.
 
Electromagnets can be used to launch non-ferrous metal rings. See here.

 
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If the word "magnet", in the OPs question, is changed to "wire" or "conductor", then the statement would be true. It's an effect described by Lenz's Law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenz's_law
 
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Now say I did change the word magnet to "wire" or "conductor". Could you explain how that would work?
 
Kalrag said:
Now say I did change the word magnet to "wire" or "conductor". Could you explain how that would work?

Did you look at the links? In the case of the video link, when a changing current flows through the wire, it sets up a changing magnetic field around the wire. This changing magnetic field induces a current in the nearby metal plate, which in turn creates another magnetic field that opposes the magnetic field created by the current in the wire. Because the two fields oppose, there is a repusion force between the wire and the metal plate.

Here's another cool demonstration of Lenz's law:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtcVtmkDXLk&NR=1

Notice how the magnet appears to momentarily float before it touches the copper base. In this case, the magnet has a steady magnetic field around it. However, because the magnet is moving as it approaches the copper base, the magnetic field of the magnet cuts across the copper plate inducing a current in it, which in turn creates another magnetic field that apposes the magnetic field of the magnet.
 

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