Magnetic field of a circular electromagnet?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the magnetic field characteristics of a circular electromagnet, specifically a toroidal magnet, and its ability to attract or repel other magnets. Participants explore the implications of the geometry of the magnetic field and the concept of magnetic poles in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe the magnetic field of a toroidal magnet as circular and note its applications in various technologies.
  • There is a question about whether the poles of a toroidal magnet would be perpendicular to the ring's plane.
  • One participant asserts that there are no distinct magnetic poles in a toroidal configuration.
  • Another participant queries the definition of a "pole" in the context of a toroid and whether it can attract or repel other magnets.
  • Participants discuss the presence of a stray magnetic field outside the toroid, which may lead to weak forces, while the field inside is homogeneous, suggesting a lack of net force.
  • There is a proposal regarding the possibility of two toroidal electromagnets repelling or attracting each other when oriented perpendicular to their planes.
  • Further inquiry is made into the magnetic field configuration near the poles and its role in attracting or repelling smaller magnets.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence of magnetic poles in a toroidal magnet and the conditions under which it can attract or repel other magnets. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the net forces involved and the implications of the magnetic field configuration.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the definitions of magnetic poles and the specific conditions under which attraction or repulsion occurs in toroidal electromagnets. The discussion also highlights the complexity of magnetic field interactions in this configuration.

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I know that the poles of an electromagnet that is straight is at the ends but what if the metal core is an iron ring?
 
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Then you have a circular magnetic field. This is called a toroid magnet, and you'll find it in various particle detectors, fusion reactors and probably a couple of other places.
 
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mfb said:
Then you have a circular magnetic field. This is called a toroid magnet, and you'll find it in various particle detectors, fusion reactors and probably a couple of other places.
Would the poles be perpendicular to the ring's plane?
 
There are no magnet poles in this case.
 
Hints: what does it mean for part of a magnet or electromagnet to be a "pole"? Does that condition hold for any part of a toroid?
 
It would mean that it could attract/repel other magnets right?

Would such a toroid electromagnet be able to repel or attract though? I had this idea of where I could make two of these toroid electromagnets repel and attract each other perpendicular to their plane, if that's possible.
 
Outside you have a bit of stray field, which can lead to a weak force. Inside the field is quite homogeneous, so you don't have a net force. You can have torque - the magnet trying to align itself with the magnetic field.
 
kolleamm said:
It would mean that it could attract/repel other magnets right?
And what is it about the magnetic field configuration (near the poles) that causes it to attract/repel other magnets? To keep things simple, suppose the "other magnets" are small (in physical size) compared to the magnet in question.

Also, by "attract" I don't mean just that the "other magnets" rotate to align themselves with the field. I mean that there is a net force which attracts them to or repels them from the magnet in question.
 

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