Electron energy and mass given, find velocity

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The problem involves calculating the velocity of an electron given its energy and mass, specifically in the context of relativistic physics. The energy is stated as 1.5 MeV/c, and the mass is given as 0.5 MeV. Participants are exploring the implications of these units and the appropriate formulas to use in a relativistic framework.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the conversion of energy and mass into appropriate units, questioning the meaning of "MeV/c" and whether it refers to kinetic energy or total energy. There is a focus on the need to use relativistic equations rather than classical ones.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations of the problem being explored. Some participants have provided formulas for calculating velocity based on total energy, while others express confusion over the definitions and units involved. There is no clear consensus yet on the correct approach or interpretation of the given quantities.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the electron is moving at relativistic speeds, which affects the choice of equations. There is also mention of the electron mass being expressed in natural units, which adds complexity to the problem. Some calculations have yielded unexpected results, such as complex numbers, prompting further clarification on the definitions used.

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Homework Statement



For an electron having energy 1.5MeV/c (mass of an electron is 0.5MeV), the velocity is given by?
a) 2.92x1010 cm/sec
b) 2.81x1010 cm/sec
c) 2.75x1010 cm/sec
d) 2.50x1010 cm/sec

Homework Equations



Kinetic Energy = 0.5mv2

The Attempt at a Solution



I first converted energy into joules and mass into kg. E=2.4032x10-13 and mass = 8.91331x10-31. Then I put it into the equation for kinetic energy and solved for v which yields the result v = 7.3432x1010 cm/s which is not among the choices. Then I observed that energy is not given in simply eV, at the end there is MeV/c. I am unable to understand what this means. It would unbalance the units on RHS. Is there another formula to be used instead of KE and what does MeV/c mean?
 
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The electron is moving at a relativistic speed, you can't use the Newtonian kinetic energy formula.

In special relativity, the total energy of a particle is ##E=\frac{m_{0}c^{2}}{\sqrt{1-v^{2}/c^{2}}}##, where ##m_{0}## is the rest mass of the particle and ##v## is the velocity. From this you can solve the velocity when the total energy is known.
 
It's not so clear what's given. It depends on how you define what's meant with
"an electron having energy 1.5MeV" (btw. it must be MeV if it's supposed to be an energy, MeV/c is the unit for a momentum). It could mean that the electron has a kinetic energy of 1.5 MeV. Then you have to use
E_{\text{kin}}=m_0 c^2 \left ( \frac{1}{\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}}-1 \right )
or it could mean it has relativistic total energy, including the rest energy, i.e.,
E=\frac{m_0 c^2}{\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}}.
So the first thing is to check, which of the quantities is really given.
 
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hilbert2 said:
The electron is moving at a relativistic speed, you can't use the Newtonian kinetic energy formula.

In special relativity, the total energy of a particle is ##E=\frac{m_{0}c^{2}}{\sqrt{1-v^{2}/c^{2}}}##, where ##m_{0}## is the rest mass of the particle and ##v## is the velocity. From this you can solve the velocity when the total energy is known.

I solved it with the formula you gave and I got a complex number
v=√-81x1052

vanhees71 said:
It's not so clear what's given. It depends on how you define what's meant with
"an electron having energy 1.5MeV" (btw. it must be MeV if it's supposed to be an energy, MeV/c is the unit for a momentum). It could mean that the electron has a kinetic energy of 1.5 MeV. Then you have to use
E_{\text{kin}}=m_0 c^2 \left ( \frac{1}{\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}}-1 \right )
or it could mean it has relativistic total energy, including the rest energy, i.e.,
E=\frac{m_0 c^2}{\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}}.
So the first thing is to check, which of the quantities is really given.

I solved it with kinetic energy too and I got v=0. Ugghh...
 
From the formula of total energy, you can solve that the elctron speed is

##v=c\sqrt{1-\frac{m_{0}^{2}c^{4}}{E^{2}}}## .

There's no way how this could give a complex-valued speed. The total energy ##E## is always larger than or equal to the rest mass energy ##m_ {0}c^{2}##, therefore the number inside the square root must be positive.

Also note that the electron mass is given in natural units, where it has dimensions of energy. When we say "##m_{0}=0.5## MeV" we actually mean "##m_{0}c^{2}=0.5## Mev".
 
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hilbert2 said:
Also note that the electron mass is given in natural units, where it has dimensions of energy. When we say "##m_{0}=0.5## MeV" we actually mean "##m_{0}c^{2}=0.5## Mev".

Ohkay. Mass = m0c2 = 0.5MeV. Armed with this when I solved I got √8x1010cm/s as the velocity which translates to 2.828x1010cm/s which closely matches option b). Thanks hilbert2.
 
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The root of 8*19^10 cm is 2,828E+05 It is some years ago. probably everybody knows already. I just want to be sure about this. It does not match any of the given values.
 

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