Electrons qualifying as dark matter?

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The discussion revolves around a hypothesis suggesting that electrons, stripped from matter falling into black holes, could constitute dark matter. Participants explore the implications of this idea, particularly in relation to the interaction of electron clouds with photons and the structural characteristics of dark matter in galaxies.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how electron clouds would interact with photons, asking if such clouds could truly be considered "dark."
  • Another participant raises concerns about the spherical distribution of dark matter around galaxies, questioning how this shape can be explained given its gravitational effects and the potential for collapse.
  • A different participant asserts that the original hypothesis mistakenly conflates dark matter with dark energy, suggesting that electrons cannot account for dark matter due to their electric charge, which would lead to interactions with photons.
  • This participant also explains that baryonic matter can dissipate energy through electromagnetic radiation, which affects its distribution compared to dark matter.
  • One post mentions a guideline from the forum indicating that speculative theories should not be discussed, suggesting that the topic may not be appropriate for the forum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the hypothesis regarding electrons as dark matter. There is no consensus on the nature of dark matter or the implications of the proposed model, with some participants challenging the initial claims and others supporting the exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for clarity regarding definitions of dark matter and dark energy, as well as the implications of gravitational effects on the structure of dark matter. There are unresolved questions about the nature of interactions between charged particles and photons.

patrickwilson
I have just encountered an interesting hypothesis on the nature of dark matter. The author proposes that electrons, stripped from matter falling into black holes, comprises dark matter. THis is my first post, so I respectfully ask two questions:

-How would electron clouds interact with photons? In other words, would such a cloud really be "dark"?

- Secondly, I have read that dark matter seems to be a spherical region around the discs of galaxies. How can one explain this shape if dark matter has a gravitational effect? Rotation would be a problem, and if it is just an unstructured cloud but there is 5 times as much of it as baryonic matter, why wouldn't it collapse or exert huge pressure at its centre?

[link to unverified personal theory removed - Zz.]

Thanks for any attention that this gets.
 
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patrickwilson said:
I have just encountered an interesting hypothesis on the nature of dark matter. The author proposes that electrons, stripped from matter falling into black holes, comprises dark matter. THis is my first post, so I respectfully ask two questions:

-How would electron clouds interact with photons? In other words, would such a cloud really be "dark"?

- Secondly, I have read that dark matter seems to be a spherical region around the discs of galaxies. How can one explain this shape if dark matter has a gravitational effect? Rotation would be a problem, and if it is just an unstructured cloud but there is 5 times as much of it as baryonic matter, why wouldn't it collapse or exert huge pressure at its centre?Thanks for any attention that this gets.
The most theories says that black hole open way to new realem.If its true it can hold by the realem it create.And it will not colapse beacouse,when universe start to form it form in one way,that way makes harmony and dark matter or black holes are part of it.
 
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patrickwilson said:
I have just encountered an interesting hypothesis on the nature of dark matter. The author proposes that electrons, stripped from matter falling into black holes, comprises dark matter.

Hi Patrick, and welcome to PF.
First I would like to say that the author is actually proposing that the electrons explain the "dark energy", not the "dark matter". In any case, the text is an amateur work, and nothing you should spend time trying to understand. In just a couple of minutes I found a number of severe misunderstandings in it.

Anyway, you raise some good questions about "dark matter" which I will try to explain shortly:

-How would electron clouds interact with photons? In other words, would such a cloud really be "dark"?
You're definitely on the right track here. Since electrons are electrically charged, they would indeed be able to substantially interact with photons, and could hence not make up any "dark matter". "Dark matter" particles must electrically neutral, couse otherwise they wouldn't be "dark".

- Secondly, I have read that dark matter seems to be a spherical region around the discs of galaxies. How can one explain this shape if dark matter has a gravitational effect? Rotation would be a problem, and if it is just an unstructured cloud but there is 5 times as much of it as baryonic matter, why wouldn't it collapse or exert huge pressure at its centre?
Baryonic (i.e. ordinary) matter can dissipate energy by emitting electromagnetic radiation (i.e. photons), something "dark matter" on the other hand cannot do (since it's "dark"). Therefore, baryonic and dark matter will distribute themselves differently in a galaxy. Only particles which can "radiate away" some energy will be able to form "discs".
 
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Please review the https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=5374", especially and speculative theory, be it by someone here, or someone out there in cyberland. While we acknowledge that in some cases, there can be some "educational value" in discussing why such-and-such crackpot theory is wrong, we have decided to let that avenue be pursued by other forums, not PF.

Thus, such topic is not allowed here. If someone wish to pursue it further, the only place this will be considered would be the IR forum, as clearly stated in the guidelines.

Zz.
 
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