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The discussion revolves around the electrostatic constant k, specifically its value of 9*10^9 and its alternative representation as k = 1/(4*pi*e0). Participants explore the reasons behind these different expressions and their implications in various equations related to electrostatics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that k = 9*10^9 is commonly used, while others mention its representation as k = 1/(4*pi*e0), questioning the reason for this duality.
  • One participant explains that ε0 is the electric permittivity of free space, suggesting that understanding this constant is crucial for grasping the relationship between the two forms of k.
  • Another participant provides the capacitance formula for a parallel plate capacitor, linking it to the permittivity of free space and its historical context.
  • Some argue that using ε0 in Coulomb's Law complicates the equation, while using k simplifies it, but requires additional factors of 4π in other equations.
  • One participant asserts that the expression 1/(4*pi*e0) is the origin of the value 9x10^9, implying a connection between the two forms of k.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the implications of using k versus ε0, with no clear consensus on which representation is preferable or why both exist.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference historical reasons and the complexity of equations as factors influencing the choice between k and ε0, but these points remain open to interpretation and further discussion.

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So the electrostatic constant k = 9*10^9, but I've also seen it written in my Fundamentals of Phys book (Resnick) and Wikipedia as k = 1/(4*pi*e0). Why is this? Thanks.
 
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So the electrostatic constant k = 9*10^9, but I've also seen it written in my Fundamentals of Phys book (Resnick) and Wikipedia as k = 1/(4*pi*e0). Why is this? Thanks.
The ε0 is a constant called the electric permittivity of free space. Read about it here: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/electric/elefie.html#c3"
 
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The capacitance of a parallel plate air capacitor of area A and plate separation d is

C = e0 A/d

where the permittivity of free space e0 = 1/(u0 c2) = 8.85 x 10-12 Farads per meter,
and the permeability of free space is
u0 = 4 pi x 10-7 Henrys per meter
 
It's partly for historical reasons, and partly a matter of minimizing the number of equations that have factors of [itex]4 \pi[/itex].

Using [itex]\epsilon_0[/itex] Coulomb's Law is more complicated:

[tex]F_{elec} = \frac {1} {4 \pi \epsilon_0} \frac {q_1 q_2} {r^2}[/tex]

but other equations like Gauss's Law and the parallel-plate capacitor equation are simple:

[tex]\vec \nabla \cdot \vec E = \frac {\rho} {\epsilon_0}[/tex]

[tex]C = \frac {\epsilon_0 A}{d}[/tex]

Whereas using k, Coulomb's Law is simpler:

[tex]F_{elec} = k \frac {q_1 q_2} {r^2}[/tex]

but you have to insert factors of [itex]4 \pi[/itex] into other equations:

[tex]\vec \nabla \cdot \vec E = 4 \pi k \rho[/tex]

[tex]C = \frac {A}{4 \pi k d}[/tex]
 
Well 1/4pi*e0 is where 9x10^9 came from.
 

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