Electrostatic force between more than 2 charges

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electrostatic force on a 1 nC charge influenced by other charges, specifically a 6 nC charge and two 2 nC charges. Participants are attempting to determine the force vector components and are analyzing their calculations and assumptions regarding the forces involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss their individual calculations of force components, questioning the correctness of their results and the assumptions made about the directions of the forces. There are inquiries about the cancellation of components and the impact of charge signs on the net force.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on maintaining vector notation and checking scientific notation. There is an ongoing exploration of the forces' directions and whether the calculated components are accurate. Multiple interpretations of the forces' effects are being considered, particularly regarding the y-components.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the calculations and the effects of charge interactions, particularly in relation to the signs of the components and the overall setup of the problem. There is mention of previous similar problems that were resolved successfully, adding to the complexity of this particular case.

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hi
i don't know if this has been posted or not but i am sort fo stuck on this one

What is the force F_vec on the 1 nC charge at the bottom? View Figure
Write your answer as two vector components, separated by a comma. Express each component numerically, in Newtons, to three significant figures.

the figure looks like this
knight_Figure_25_46.jpg


attempt to this problem:

i found out the forces individually and added them together .. but it didnt work

x-component:
6nC = 0
2nC = 5.09 x 10^{-5} each

y-component:
6nC = 2.16 x 10^{-5}
2nc = 5.09 x 10^{-5} each

when i add them: 1.02 x 10 ^{-5} \hat{x} , 7.76 x 10^{-5} \hat{y}

but that was wrong.. i also tried the x-comp to be 0 .. but that was wrong too

thanx in advance for the help
 
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How does the x-component of the force exerted by one 2 nC charge compare to that of the other?
 
Doc Al said:
How does the x-component of the force exerted by one 2 nC charge compare to that of the other?

they are opposite of each other .. which means there is no net x- component .. but that's not the right answer tho..
 
moonlight13 said:
hi
i don't know if this has been posted or not but i am sort fo stuck on this one

What is the force F_vec on the 1 nC charge at the bottom? View Figure
Write your answer as two vector components, separated by a comma. Express each component numerically, in Newtons, to three significant figures.

the figure looks like this View attachment 12308

attempt to this problem:

i found out the forces individually and added them together .. but it didnt work

x-component:
6nC = 0
2nC = 5.09 x 10^{-5} each

y-component:
6nC = 2.16 x 10^{-5}
2nc = 5.09 x 10^{-5} each

when i add them: 1.02 x 10 ^{-5} \hat{x} , 7.76 x 10^{-5} \hat{y}

but that was wrong.. i also tried the x-comp to be 0 .. but that was wrong too

thanx in advance for the help

I see 2 things you might do differently to help.
Make sure you're doing vectors (right is +, up is +). Keep the vector notation throughout.
Check your use of scientific notation. If you're unsure, have your calculator switch it to regular decimal.
 
TVP45 said:
I see 2 things you might do differently to help.
Make sure you're doing vectors (right is +, up is +). Keep the vector notation throughout.
Check your use of scientific notation. If you're unsure, have your calculator switch it to regular decimal.

i tried a similar question, with 1 + and 1 - 2nC charge .. and that worked out
but somehow i can't get this working ..

i am not too sure if the y - component it right as well or not .. even tho it seems right
 
moonlight13 said:
they are opposite of each other .. which means there is no net x- component .. but that's not the right answer tho..
Show how you calculated the vertical components of the forces from the 2 nC charges.
 
moonlight13 said:
y-component:
6nC = 2.16 x 10^{-5}
2nc = 5.09 x 10^{-5} each
What are the directions (signs) of these components?
 
Doc Al said:
Show how you calculated the vertical components of the forces from the 2 nC charges.

y-comp = Esin\vartheta
r= 5x10^-2
E = Kq_{1}q_{2} / r^{2}
= (9.0x10^9)(2x10^-9)(1x10^-9)/ ( 2.5x10^-3)
E= 7.2x10^-6

y-comp = E sin(45) = 5.09x10^-6
 
Doc Al said:
Show how you calculated the vertical components of the forces from the 2 nC charges.

Doc Al said:
What are the directions (signs) of these components?

6nC = +y, no x
2nC = +y, +x (on the right)
2nC = +y, -x (on the left)

and that's why my understand was that the x components would cancel out .. but i am not sure what's going on
 
  • #10
moonlight13 said:
6nC = +y, no x
2nC = +y, +x (on the right)
2nC = +y, -x (on the left)
Realize that the 2 nC charges are positive and the 6 nC charge is negative. Which way do their forces on the + 1 nC charge act?
 
  • #11
so the 2 +y .. should be -y ..?
 
  • #12
i did the calc again and i get

x = 0
y = 1.14x10^-5 ..

doe sthat seem right?
 
  • #13
moonlight13 said:
so the 2 +y .. should be -y ..?
Correct. Since the charges repel, the y component of force is downward and thus negative.
 
  • #14
thank you ., thank you ... thank you..
 
  • #15
moonlight13 said:
y-comp = Esin\vartheta
r= 5x10^-2
E = Kq_{1}q_{2} / r^{2}
= (9.0x10^9)(2x10^-9)(1x10^-9)/ ( 2.5x10^-3)
E= 7.2x10^-6

y-comp = E sin(45) = 5.09x10^-6
What's the distance between the charges?
 
  • #16
moonlight13 said:
i did the calc again and i get

x = 0
y = 1.14x10^-5 ..

doe sthat seem right?

what you said abt the charges repelling .. this answer is right ..

thank you so much once again
 
  • #17
moonlight13 said:
what you said abt the charges repelling .. this answer is right ..

thank you so much once again
You are most welcome.

Doc Al said:
What's the distance between the charges?
Never mind. You had written the distance squared. :smile:
 

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