Electrostatics: Find relative permitivitty

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The discussion centers on calculating the relative permittivities Ɛr1 and Ɛr2 for a spherical capacitor with two dielectrics. When the second dielectric is removed, the inner electric field decreases by one-third, while the outer electric field doubles. The calculations using Gauss's law lead to the conclusion that Ɛr2 equals 6, while Ɛr1 is calculated to be 36017.1. However, there is a discrepancy with the book's values of Ɛr2 as 3 and Ɛr1 as 6. Clarification is provided that the problem states the electric field is reduced by one-third, not to one-third, which affects the calculations.
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Homework Statement


Spherical capacitor with two linear and uniform dielectrics with relative permitivitty Ɛr1 and Ɛr2 is connected to constant voltage U. When second dielectric is removed, intensity of electric field by inner electrode is reduced by 1/3, and electric field by outer electrode is increased two times. a=1.5mm, b=6mm, c=12mm. Calculate Ɛr1 and Ɛr2.

Homework Equations


Gauss law

The Attempt at a Solution


In the first case (two dielectrics), Gauss law gives E_1^{(1)}=\frac{Q}{4\pi\epsilon_0\epsilon_{r1}r^2},a<r<b
E_2^{(1)}=\frac{Q}{4\pi\epsilon_0\epsilon_{r2}r^2},b<r<c
U^{(1)}=\int_a^b \frac{Q}{4\pi\epsilon_0\epsilon_{r1}r^2}\mathrm dr+ \int_b^c \frac{Q}{4\pi\epsilon_0\epsilon_{r2}r^2}\mathrm dr=\frac{Q}{4\pi\epsilon_0}\left(\frac{b-a}{\epsilon_{r1}ab}+\frac{c-b}{\epsilon_{r2}bc}\right)
In the second case (second dielectric is removed),
E_1^{(2)}=\frac{Q}{12\pi\epsilon_0\epsilon_{r1}r^2}
E_2^{(2)}=\frac{Q}{2\pi\epsilon_0r^2}
U^{(2)}=\frac{Q}{2\pi\epsilon_0}\left(\frac{b-a}{\epsilon_{r1}ab}+\frac{c-b}{bc}\right)
E_1^{(2)}=\frac{1}{3}\times E_1^{(1)}\Rightarrow \frac{Q^{(2)}}{4\pi\epsilon_0\epsilon_{r1}r^2} = \frac{1}{3}\frac{Q^{(1)}}{4\pi\epsilon_0\epsilon_{r1}r^2}\Rightarrow Q^{(2)}=\frac{Q^{(1)}}{3}
E_2^{(2)}=2\times E_2^{(1)}
\frac{Q^{(2)}}{4\pi\epsilon_0 r^2} = 2\frac{Q^{(1)}}{4\pi\epsilon_0\epsilon_{r2} r^2}
From these equations, I get that \epsilon_{r2}=6
U^{(1)}=\int_a^b \frac{Q}{4\pi\epsilon_0\epsilon_{r1}r^2}\mathrm dr+ \int_b^c \frac{Q}{4\pi\epsilon_0\epsilon_{r2}r^2}\mathrm dr=\frac{Q^{(1)}}{4\pi\epsilon_0}\left(\frac{b-a}{\epsilon_{r1}ab}+\frac{c-b}{\epsilon_{r2}bc}\right)
U^{(2)}=\frac{Q^{(2)}}{4\pi\epsilon_0}\left(\frac{b-a}{\epsilon_{r1}ab}+\frac{c-b}{bc}\right)
U^{(1)}=U^{(2)}\Rightarrow \epsilon_{r1}=36017.1

In my book's solution \epsilon_{r2}=3 and \epsilon_{r1}=6
Could someone please check this?
 

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gruba said:

Homework Statement


Spherical capacitor with two linear and uniform dielectrics with relative permitivitty Ɛr1 and Ɛr2 is connected to constant voltage U. When second dielectric is removed, intensity of electric field by inner electrode is reduced by 1/3, and electric field by outer electrode is increased two times. a=1.5mm, b=6mm, c=12mm. Calculate Ɛr1 and Ɛr2.

Homework Equations


Gauss law

The Attempt at a Solution


In the first case (two dielectrics), Gauss law gives E_1^{(1)}=\frac{Q}{4\pi\epsilon_0\epsilon_{r1}r^2},a<r<b
E_2^{(1)}=\frac{Q}{4\pi\epsilon_0\epsilon_{r2}r^2},b<r<c
U^{(1)}=\int_a^b \frac{Q}{4\pi\epsilon_0\epsilon_{r1}r^2}\mathrm dr+ \int_b^c \frac{Q}{4\pi\epsilon_0\epsilon_{r2}r^2}\mathrm dr=\frac{Q}{4\pi\epsilon_0}\left(\frac{b-a}{\epsilon_{r1}ab}+\frac{c-b}{\epsilon_{r2}bc}\right)
In the second case (second dielectric is removed),
E_1^{(2)}=\frac{Q}{12\pi\epsilon_0\epsilon_{r1}r^2}
E_2^{(2)}=\frac{Q}{2\pi\epsilon_0r^2}
U^{(2)}=\frac{Q}{2\pi\epsilon_0}\left(\frac{b-a}{\epsilon_{r1}ab}+\frac{c-b}{bc}\right)
E_1^{(2)}=\frac{1}{3}\times E_1^{(1)}\Rightarrow \frac{Q^{(2)}}{4\pi\epsilon_0\epsilon_{r1}r^2} = \frac{1}{3}\frac{Q^{(1)}}{4\pi\epsilon_0\epsilon_{r1}r^2}\Rightarrow Q^{(2)}=\frac{Q^{(1)}}{3}
E_2^{(2)}=2\times E_2^{(1)}
\frac{Q^{(2)}}{4\pi\epsilon_0 r^2} = 2\frac{Q^{(1)}}{4\pi\epsilon_0\epsilon_{r2} r^2}
From these equations, I get that \epsilon_{r2}=6
U^{(1)}=\int_a^b \frac{Q}{4\pi\epsilon_0\epsilon_{r1}r^2}\mathrm dr+ \int_b^c \frac{Q}{4\pi\epsilon_0\epsilon_{r2}r^2}\mathrm dr=\frac{Q^{(1)}}{4\pi\epsilon_0}\left(\frac{b-a}{\epsilon_{r1}ab}+\frac{c-b}{\epsilon_{r2}bc}\right)
U^{(2)}=\frac{Q^{(2)}}{4\pi\epsilon_0}\left(\frac{b-a}{\epsilon_{r1}ab}+\frac{c-b}{bc}\right)
U^{(1)}=U^{(2)}\Rightarrow \epsilon_{r1}=36017.1

In my book's solution \epsilon_{r2}=3 and \epsilon_{r1}=6
Could someone please check this?
The question mentions that the electric field is reduced BY 1/3 and not to 1/3 as you have assumed.The rest of it seems right.
 
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