Electrostatics potential questions

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The discussion revolves around the electrostatic potential of a cube with charges placed at its corners, specifically addressing the potential at infinity and the potential energy associated with the configuration of these charges. The scope includes theoretical considerations and mathematical reasoning related to electrostatics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the potential at infinity for a cube with 8 equal charges at its corners should be zero, as all charges would appear to coincide at a single point from infinity.
  • Another participant explains that the gradient of the electrostatic potential relates to the force on a test charge, indicating that at a distance, the system behaves like a single charge of 8Q, allowing for the potential at infinity to be set to zero.
  • A participant questions the work required to move a negative charge from the center of the cube to infinity, asserting that the potential difference is zero, yet the answer is not zero.
  • One participant clarifies that the question should focus on the potential energy of the cube formed by the 8 charges, emphasizing the need to consider the mutual potential energy of all charge pairs.
  • Another participant reiterates the need to calculate the mutual potential energy of the charges, stating it involves the sum of potentials between pairs of charges.
  • A later reply expresses confusion regarding the movement of a negative charge from a corner, suggesting that if a positive charge were considered instead, the answer would involve the sum of mutual potentials with the remaining fixed charges.
  • One participant concludes that the potential of a charge is the sum of all mutual potentials with other charges, specifically referencing the 8 corner charges relative to the center charge.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the potential at infinity and the work required to move a charge, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the interpretation of the electrostatic potential and potential energy.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made regarding the configuration of charges and the definitions of potential and potential energy. The discussion also highlights the need for clarity in the question posed, particularly regarding the type of charge being moved.

Mrudul Agrawal
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What should be the potential of a cube at infinity having 6 equal charges placed at its corners?In first attempt I made it zero as looking from infinity all tge 8 pt. charges will seem to be coincided at a single point and potential of a 8q charge at infinity would be zero..?
 
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The gradient of the electrostatic potential is the force per unit charge which will act on a 9th additional test charge in the neighborhood of the 8 corner charges. At a long distance from the 8 fixed charges this force will look like the force produced by a single charge 8Q. Since adding a constant to the potential doesn't change the gradient, you are free to make infinity 0 potential.

PS a cube has 8, not 6 corners.
 
Paul Colby said:
The gradient of the electrostatic potential is the force per unit charge which will act on a 9th additional test charge in the neighborhood of the 8 corner charges. At a long distance from the 8 fixed charges this force will look like the force produced by a single charge 8Q. Since adding a constant to the potential doesn't change the gradient, you are free to make infinity 0 potential.
Actually the question is that how much work is reqd. to takr a negative charge from the centre of this cube to infinity.
Then answer should be zero as the potential difference between centre and infinity pt. Is zero. But the ans is NOT ZERO
 
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Okay the question should be "what is the potential energy of a cube of 8 charges", not what is the electrostatic potential caused by 8 charges. You seek the energy it takes to construct the cube. This is just the sum of mutual potential energy of of all 8*7/2 = 24 pairs.

##E = \sum^8_{i<j} \frac{q_i q_j}{|r_i - r_j|}##
 
Paul Colby said:
Okay the question should be "what is the potential energy of a cube of 8 charges", not what is the electrostatic potential caused by 8 charges. You seek the energy it takes to construct the cube. This is just the mutual potential energy of of all 8*7/2 = 24 pairs.
I must send you the question then
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Got it. I don't know what's going on with the carrying ##-q## from it's corner means. If they had written ##q## instead the answer would be the sum of the 7 mutual potentials between the moved charge and the remaining fixed charges.

PSSS I don't read sideways. I have a hard enough time with normal text. I missed the -q in the middle somehow.
 
Bottom line is the potential of a charge is the sum of all the mutual potentials with other charges. In your case this is 8 corner charges wrt the center charge.
 
Kk thanks
 

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