Elementary argument against longitudinal photons?

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The discussion centers around the question of whether a zero mass photon can be longitudinally polarized. Participants explore various arguments and perspectives regarding the implications of a photon's mass and spin, particularly in relation to the Proca equation and Maxwell's equations. The conversation includes both elementary and more technical reasoning, as well as inquiries into the nature of massless particles and their polarization states.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that the zero mass of the photon implies it cannot be longitudinally polarized, referencing the Proca equation which suggests longitudinal solutions require nonzero mass.
  • Others question the generality of deriving results from specific equations, suggesting that zero mass particles might still exhibit zero helicity.
  • A participant presents a classical electromagnetic wave argument, stating that longitudinal polarization would violate Maxwell's equations.
  • Another participant explains that massless fields with vector indices cannot have a spin-0 component, detailing how the four-momentum must have two nonzero components for massless particles.
  • There is a discussion about the terminology of longitudinal versus transverse polarization, with some clarifying that a transverse photon has its spin along the direction of motion, while a longitudinal photon would have its spin transverse to that direction.
  • Some participants express a desire for more intuitive explanations of why massless particles have only two spin states, indicating that previous mathematical derivations have not been clear to them.
  • There is mention of the "Little Group" and its implications for the polarization states of massless versus massive particles, with some participants considering this a more rigorous but complex approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the Proca equation and Maxwell's equations regarding the polarization of massless particles. There is no consensus on whether a zero mass photon can be longitudinally polarized, with multiple competing perspectives remaining unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments rely on specific definitions and assumptions about massless particles and their behavior under various equations. The discussion also highlights the complexity of terminology related to polarization states, which may lead to confusion among participants.

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Can anyone provide an elementary argument for why the zero mass of the photon means that it can't be longitudinally polarized?

I know of at least one non-elementary argument, which is that if you write down the Proca equation, it only has longitudinally polarized solutions if the mass is nonzero. This is fine, but seems to me to be very indirect.

I know of a couple of elementary arguments that prove the converse: that you can't put constraints on the polarization or helicity of a particle unless it has zero mass. (E.g., +1 helicity could be -1 helicity in a frame where you were catching up with the particle. Or you could go into the particle's rest frame, in which case there's no preferred direction, so it has to have all three axes of polarization available.)

What I'm looking for is an argument that proves the original statement, not its converse, and that's more elementary than solving the Proca equation.

It would be interesting to know whether there's a similar reason that the graviton can't have zero helicity.

Thanks in advance!

-Ben
 
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I am not sure that a zero mass particle can't have zero helicity.
Deriving that result from a specific equation does not prove it in general.
 
clem said:
I am not sure that a zero mass particle can't have zero helicity.
Deriving that result from a specific equation does not prove it in general.
The photon is specifically zero-mass, spin-1, and therefore is governed by the Proca equation. So if the equation says it can't have zero helicity and zero mass, then it can't have zero helicity and zero mass.

But actually, I'm interested in an answer to this question as well. Several times in various classes I've taken, I've seen mathematical derivations of the fact that massless particles have only two spin states, but none of them have ever really made sense to me. So if there's an intuitive way to understand it, I'd really like to know.
 
Well, you might find this hand-wavy too.

Let's think about a classical EM wave. If I allow a longitudinal polarization, that means the E-field is moving along the direction of motion. This won't satisfy Maxwell's equations. (One way to see this is that the Poynting vector needs to be simultaneously parallel with and perpendicular to E)

When I quantize things, this feature persists.
 
Massless fields that have vector indices in 4 dimensions cannot have a spin-0 component. A photon is an example of this, as is the graviton (if you try to do the naive quantum gravity).

The argument goes like this: If a particle is massless, the 4 momentum MUST have two nonzero components, for example:

k^\mu= (k;k,0,0)

for a photon moving in the +x direction. The equations of motion (Maxwell's equations in this case) require

k^\mu\epsilon_\mu=0

where \epsilon^\mu is the spin vector. A longitudinal photon (spin-0) has its spin along the direction of motion, and so would have

\epsilon^\mu=(0;1,0,0)

This violates the previous equation.

Notice that if the particle were massive, we can go to the rest frame where

k^\mu= (k;0,0,0)

Now there is no problem with a longitudinal mode. The problem lies in the fact that massless particles have no rest frames, and always move at the speed of light.

Those who are more technically oriented can also argue in terms of the "Little Group" and how the particle momentum transforms under rotations, etc. That is the rigorous way to do it, but hopefully this argument is enough.

Hope that helps!
 
diazona said:
The photon is specifically zero-mass, spin-1, and therefore is governed by the Proca equation. So if the equation says it can't have zero helicity and zero mass, then it can't have zero helicity and zero mass.

You mean MAXWELL equation, not Proca. Proca assumes NONzero mass where there COULD be a longitudinal mode.
 
blechman said:
A longitudinal photon (spin-0) has its spin along the direction of motion,

You have this backwards - you are an unfortunate victim of the most confusing terminology since Ben Franklin decided what was positive and what was negative charge. A transverse photon has its spin along its direction of motion, and a longitudinal photon would have its spin transverse to its direction of motion.

"Longitudinal" and "transverse" by convention refer to the direction the electric field points, not the helicity direction.

However, I believe your derivation is still correct - if epsilon is not the spin vector, and instead it's the polarization vector.
 
blechman said:
You mean MAXWELL equation, not Proca. Proca assumes NONzero mass where there COULD be a longitudinal mode.
My understanding is that the Proca equation governs both massive and massless particles of spin 1. It reduces to Maxwell's equations when you set m = 0. (And I double-checked this in Griffiths' particle physics book)
 
Thanks for the interesting reply, blechman. But when you say:

blechman said:
The equations of motion (Maxwell's equations in this case) require k^\mu\epsilon_\mu=0 where \epsilon^\mu is the spin vector.

This is essentially what I'm asking about. I understand that the equations of motion (Maxwell's equations, or the Proca equation in the special case of m=0) require this, but I'm wondering if there's a way to see that more directly, without getting into grungy details.
 
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diazona said:
My understanding is that the Proca equation governs both massive and massless particles of spin 1. It reduces to Maxwell's equations when you set m = 0. (And I double-checked this in Griffiths' particle physics book)

It's semantics, I suppose. But massless spin-1 (abelian) gauge theory is "Maxwell", while massive is "Proca" - I have never heard of anyone talking about "massless Proca fields" in practice.

bcrowell said:
Thanks for the interesting reply, blechman. But when you say:

...

This is essentially what I'm asking about. I understand that the equations of motion (Maxwell's equations, or the Proca equation in the special case of m=0) require this, but I'm wondering if there's a way to see that more directly, without getting into grungy details.

The better (and more appropriate) way to think about it is to consider the "Little Group" - but this is what I would call "grungy details" so that's why I didn't want to bring it up. It has to do with the behavior of the field under rotations.

Quickly: the Little Group for a massive spin-1 particle is SO(3), which is the usual quantum angular momentum group, and so spin-1 should have three polarization states. But for MASSLESS fields, the little group is SO(2), which has a much different structure, and in particular does not allow for the longitudinal polarization.

I would consider this approach, although more formally correct (and generalizable to higher dimensions and spins), to be much more about "grungy details" than my description. Although, as I said, it's the "correct" way to think about it.

I'll leave you to look up "Little Group" in your favorite textbook or internet site and we can take it from there.
 

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