Elementary circuit theory question

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a homework problem related to elementary circuit theory, specifically focusing on calculating power as a function of time based on given voltage and current expressions. Participants explore methods to determine the times at which maximum power is delivered and extracted, as stated in the textbook.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • The voltage and current expressions are provided as v=t(3-t)V and i=6-(4*t), with the problem stating that both are zero outside the interval [0, 3s].
  • One participant expresses confusion over how to derive the times t=0.634s and t=2.366s for maximum power delivery and extraction, respectively, as indicated in the textbook.
  • Another participant suggests that power is an instantaneous quantity and advises multiplying the voltage and current functions to find p(t).
  • There is a mention of integrating the functions to find energy, but it is clarified that integration is not necessary for finding instantaneous power.
  • A participant indicates they have attempted various methods, including parametric graphing and integration, but have not reached the correct answers.
  • Questions arise about the use of calculus to find maximum and minimum values of the power function, with references to taking derivatives.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to find the power function p(t) and the methods to do so, but there is no consensus on how to arrive at the specific times for maximum power delivery and extraction. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the derivation of those specific times.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the application of calculus concepts to find maximum and minimum values, and there are references to different methods attempted without clear resolution on their effectiveness.

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it's only the second day of class but my professor assigned some problems that are those weird ones that neither he nor the book even discusses, I have tried several different methods including parametric graphing, integrating the functions, deriving the function, but to not even the slightest avail.

the question is

The voltage and current at the terminals of the circuit element are zero for t<0 and t>3s. In the interval between 0 and 3 s the expressions are v=t(3-t)V i=6-(4*t)

the book tells the answers as being t=.634s where the power is delivered at its maximum and 2.366s where it is extracted at its maximum but i haven't the slightest idea how to get them.
 
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ahh sorry for posting this in the wrong forum, I am extremely new on here
 
What is the power as a function of time?
 

Homework Statement



t's only the second day of class but my professor assigned some problems that are those weird ones that neither he nor the book even discusses, I have tried several different methods including parametric graphing, integrating the functions, deriving the function, but to not even the slightest avail.

the question is

The voltage and current at the terminals of the circuit element are zero for t<0 and t>3s. In the interval between 0 and 3 s the expressions are v=t(3-t)V i=6-(4*t)

the book tells the answers as being t=.634s where the power is delivered at its maximum and 2.366s where it is extracted at its maximum but i haven't the slightest idea how to get them.

Homework Equations



p=vi

p=-vi



The Attempt at a Solution



I tried integrating the two functions from 0 to 3 and got 9/2 which is 4.5W. when using the book's answer the result is 4.964, and all my other attempts are no where near correct.
 
well i know 1W is 1 J/s, and 1V is 1 J/Q and 1A= 1Q/s
 
Power is an instantaneous quantity -- you don't need to integrate anything. If you integrate power over time, you get energy, which is not what you're looking for.

You have v(t) and i(t), so simply multiply them to find p(t):

p(t) = v(t) * i(t).

- Warren
 
Both threads have been merged. Please don't post the same question multiple times.

- Warren
 
i realized that after i posted it in the EE forum.

i understand how to get power as a function of time. My question is that i don't understand how the book got t= .634s as the time maximum power is delivered and t= 2.366s as the time max power is extracted.
 
If you look at a plot of p(t), and find its maximum and minimum, do you get the correct values of t?

- Warren
 
  • #10
I haven't even tried that I'll go try that now!
 
  • #11
Also: have you ever taken a calculus class?
 
  • #12
yes, i have. i have been trying to tie together the voltage and current equations with parametric graphing but i still don't see where those numbers the book got comes from. i mean i see that the power would be at it's maximum value, but i don't know how to show the work for it.
 
  • #13
In first semester calculus, you are taught how to find the maximum and minimum of a function. Do you remember? It involves taking the derivative ...
 

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