Energy and force in a solenoid with multiple wirings

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The discussion revolves around a solenoid with specific dimensions and properties, focusing on the power consumption when using different materials for the wiring, the force per unit area on the wires due to the magnetic field, and the energy density in the field. The subject area includes electromagnetism and circuit analysis.

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  • Participants explore calculations related to power consumption, resistance, and force per unit area in a solenoid setup. There are attempts to clarify the number of turns in the solenoid and how to accurately calculate the length of wire used.

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Participants are actively questioning each other's calculations and assumptions regarding the number of turns and the resulting implications for power and force calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the formulas to use, but there is no clear consensus on the correct approach or results yet.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the total number of turns in the solenoid and how this affects the calculations. Participants are also considering the implications of using different materials for the wiring and the associated resistivity.

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A solenoid has length L = 2.0m, radius R = 28.0cm, field strength B = 2.7T. The field is maintained by superconducting wires, with cross section 2mm x 2mm, wound with a 2mm spacing between windings and 20 layers of winding. Use the result that the current is I = 215A.

a. If the coil were made of room-temperature copper (resistivity ρ = 1.680×10-8 Ωm), how much power would be consumed in maintaining this current?
b. The magnetic field strength falls, from its full value in the innermost layer of wires to zero in the outermost layer, so on average the wires feel half the field strength present inside the solenoid. Compute the force per unit area, pushing outward on the wires.
c. Find the ratio of the energy density stored in the field and the force per unit area acting on the wires.

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I have calculated the energy density stored, which should be 2.90x106J/m3. However, I can't seem to find the answer to a. I'm using the equation R = \frac{pL}{A} and then P = I^{2}R. For the resistance, I'm taking the length to be L = 2\pi r and the area to be the cross-sectional area of the wires. Then, the current is the result obtained. However, I'm not sure what's wrong with my reasoning.

On the other hand, for question b., I got that the force per unit area should be given by F = \frac{BIl}{2A}, where the length would be the length given by L = 2\pi r and the area should be the product A = 2\pi rw, where w is one of the sides which is 2mm. However, this result as well is wrong. I really can't visualize how can multiple winding solenoids work. From this, then the result to c. should come easily.

Thank you for your time and patience.
 
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L=2Pi.r sounds like the length of wire per single turn. How many turns in the total solenoid winding?
 
NascentOxygen said:
L=2Pi.r sounds like the length of wire per single turn. How many turns in the total solenoid winding?


It would be N = 1000 turns as we divide the total length by the spacing. I used this and i stilll get a wrong anser for a. (Using it as the total length of wire).
 
I don't make it 1000 turns.
 
NascentOxygen said:
I don't make it 1000 turns.
What do you mean? Is the result different?
 
fogvajarash said:
What do you mean? Is the result different?

Yes, I calculate a different number.
 
P = (I^2)(resistivity)l / A

A = 0.002^2
n = LW/0.002
l = 2pi*r*n

for a, that is what you should be using, I believe
 

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