Energy eigenstates of a particle in a one dimensional box.

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The discussion revolves around a quantum mechanics problem involving a particle in a one-dimensional box and its energy eigenstates. The original poster presents a scenario where a particle emits a photon after being disturbed, leading to questions about the possible energy states represented as superpositions of eigenstates.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the initial and final energy states of the particle and the emitted photon. There are discussions about calculating initial energy based on given final energy and photon energy. Questions arise regarding the nature of superpositions and how to determine possible states from them.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some offering insights into the probabilities associated with measuring different energy states based on the coefficients of the eigenstates in the superpositions. There is a recognition of the need to calculate energy ranges for the states discussed, and some participants express uncertainty about their understanding of superposition principles.

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Homework Statement


A One dimensional box contains a particle whose ground state energy is ε. It is observed that a small disturbance causes the particle to emit a photon of energy hν=8ε, after which it is stable. Just before emission a possible state of the particle in terms of energy eigenstates {ψ1, ψ2...} would be
(a) (√2ψ1-3ψ2+5ψ5)/6

(b)(ψ2+2ψ3)/√5

(c)(-4ψ4+5ψ5)/√41

(d)(ψ12)/√2

Homework Equations


Energy eigenvalues for a particle in a 1-D potential well

E=n2h2/8mL2

The Attempt at a Solution


I don't know where or how to start. Can someone help me here? Also if someone could suggest me a textbook with similar problems that would be helpful too...

Thanks
 
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One photon transition satisfies ##E_i-E_f = h\nu## where ##E_i##, ##E_f##, and ##\nu## are initial particle's energy, final particle's energy, and the emitted/absorbed photon frequency, respectively. The question already tells you that ##E_f=E_1## and ##h\nu = 8E_1##, calculating ##E_i## should be straightforward. For introductory level books where this kind of problem may usually be found, there are Introduction to QM by Griffith and Quantum Physics by Gasiorowicz.
 
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blue_leaf77 said:
The question already tells you that ##E_f=E_1## and ##h\nu = 8E_1##, calculating ##E_i## should be straightforward.
That leads me to Ei=9E1. One possible energy state would be E3. But all of the answers given are superposition of the energy eigenstates. How can one say that a particular superposition is a possible state?
 
Can you calculate the highest and lowest possible energies that each state could be found to have? Maybe that would narrow things down.

Out of the states with the right energy range, for which one is it even possible to measure an energy of 9##\epsilon##?
 
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Geofleur said:
Can you calculate the highest and lowest possible energies that each state could be found to have?
I don't know how to do that. Can you please guide me?

I'm in the middle of the quantum mechanics course. I thought once I had finished potential well theory I could solve this problem, but now I can't. I know little of superposition principle..
 
First, the coefficients on the eigenfunctions will tell you which energies they correspond to. For example, ##\Psi_2## is the eigenstate with the energy ## E_2 ##. Second, if a particle is in a superposition of eigenstates, then the probability of measuring each energy is the absolute square of the coefficient that is paired with the corresponding eigenstate. For example, if ##\Psi = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\Psi_1 + \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\Psi_2 ##, then the probability of measuring ## E_1 ## is ##\left(\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\right)^2 = \frac{1}{2} ##. The probability of measuring the energy corresponding to, say, state ##\Psi_7## in this example is zero, because the "coefficient" for this eigenstate in the expansion is zero.
 
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OK, please let me know if I am wrong...
Since the probability for the eigenstate ψ5 in (a) is maximum it is most probable and hence the highest possible energy state (a) could have..
similarly for (b) it is ψ3, for (c) it is ψ5 and for (d) it is ψ2?
Am I right here?
 
In the state given in (a), ##\Psi_5 ## corresponds to the highest possible energy in that state and, as long as the coefficient for ##\Psi_5## isn't zero, ##E_5## is a possible measurement outcome.

Yes, the highest energy eigenstates for (b), (c), and (d) are as you say. Similarly, the lowest energy eigenstates for (b), (c), and (d) are ##\Psi_2##, ##\Psi_4##, and ##\Psi_1##.

Now, if an eigenstate, say ##\Psi_7##, does not show up in an expansion of some state, what is the probability for measuring the corresponding energy, ##E_7##?
 
Geofleur said:
Now, if an eigenstate, say ##\Psi_7##, does not show up in an expansion of some state, what is the probability for measuring the corresponding energy, ##E_7##?
zero.:smile:
 
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Geofleur said:
Out of the states with the right energy range, for which one is it even possible to measure an energy of 9##\epsilon##?
(b) because of ψ3?
 
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Yup.
 
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Wait, could it be that simple? I mean just because state (b) had the eigenstate ψ3 in it (with a finite probability), I can conclude that the initial state is possibly (b)??
 
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It's that simple. No other state could possibly yield the correct energy upon measurement.
 
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