Energy levels of electrons excited by photons

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The discussion revolves around the energy levels of electrons in atoms, specifically how they change when excited by photons. Participants are examining equations related to the energy levels and the frequency of emitted photons based on the Bohr model of the atom.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are discussing the validity of equations related to electron energy levels and photon frequencies. There are attempts to calculate specific values for energy levels and wavelengths, as well as questions about the appropriateness of using SI units versus cgs units in these calculations.

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Some participants have provided feedback on the equations presented, noting that while the original equations are conceptually correct, there are issues with unit consistency. Others have suggested resources for further understanding, and one participant is re-evaluating their calculations based on this feedback.

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There is a mention of the limitations of the Bohr model and the need for clarity on unit systems, particularly regarding the use of Coulomb's constant in calculations. The discussion also touches on the ground state energy of hydrogen as a reference point.

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I've been researching the change of energy levels of electrons when excited by photons. The equations I have found are...

E_n = (-2pi^2 * m * e^4 * Z^2)/(n^2 * h^2)

Which gives us the energy of the electron at a particular energy level.

m = mass of electron
e = electric charge of electron
Z = number of proton (atomic number)
h = Planck's Constant
n = Energy level (1, 2, 3, ...)

Then there is...

v = (E_n' - E_n)/h

Which gives the frequency of the photon emitted due to a specified drop.

So if we have an excited electron at level 6 and the electron drops all the way to level 1 then it is...

v = (E_6 - E_1)/h

If you combine the two then you get...

v = ((-2pi^2 * m * e^4 * Z^2)/(6^2 * h^2) - (-2pi^2 * m * e^4 * Z^2)/(1^2 * h^2))/h

Are these equations correct? Will it give me a photon frequency such that if such a photon were to get absorbed by an electron in the first energy level that it will jump up to the sixth energy level?

Where v = c/λ then λ = c/v and this gives me the wavelength of the photon and thus the corresponding color along the spectrum.
 
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Looks good to me based on a first inspection. The ideas and original equations are right at least. Well, keep in mind that this only applies to atom's based on the Bohr model, which is ultimately wrong.

If you want some more grounding in this, you should check out Hydrogen spectroscopy.
 


Thanks, I'll check it out...
 


Awesome, thanks a lot.

Now I used the calculator on the sight and got a wavelength of 93.02514591068145 nm when Z = 1, n_2 = 7 and n_1 = 1.

So an ultraviolet photon of ~93 nm is emitted when there is a drop from level 7 to level 1.

So a question I have is where did I go wrong? Seriously wrong...

E_7 = (-2pi^2 * m * e^4 * Z^2)/(n^2 * h^2)
E_7 = (-19.739208757068045 * 9.10938188e-31 * 6.5893319466295382533529270269186e-76 * 1)/(49 * 4.39047898626754816e-67)
E_7 = (-1.1848408938972153629875267059781e-104)/(2.1513347032710985984e-65)
E_7 = -5.507468884761018301895046351223e-40

E_1 = (-2pi^2 * m * e^4 * Z^2)/(n^2 * h^2)
E_1 = (-19.739208757068045 * 9.10938188e-31 * 6.5893319466295382533529270269186e-76)/(4.39047898626754816e-67)
E_1 = (-1.1848408938972153629875267059781e-104)/(4.39047898626754816e-67)
E_1 = -2.6986597535328989679285727120993e-38

v = (E_7 - E_1)/h
v = ((-5.507468884761018301895046351223e-40) - (-2.6986597535328989679285727120993e-38))/(6.62606896e-34)
v = (2.6435850646852887849096222485868e-38)/(6.62606896e-34)
v = 3.9896733351916228546308733988576e-5

λ = c/v
λ = 299792458/3.9896733351916228546308733988576e-5
λ = 7514210633628.2555594458185616074

I've copy and pasted to window's calculator so it cut off the last digit in some of the numbers. However, with the scale of the error, I very much doubt that the cutting off of the last digit would be the cause.
 


Hi xArcherx,

xArcherx said:
I've been researching the change of energy levels of electrons when excited by photons. The equations I have found are...

E_n = (-2pi^2 * m * e^4 * Z^2)/(n^2 * h^2)

This equation is not correct when you are using SI units. A more general formula for would be:

<br /> E_n = \frac{-2 \pi^2 k^2 m e^4 Z^2}{n^2 h^2}<br />

where k is Coulomb's constant. (In the cgs system, the numeric value of Coulomb's constant is 1.)

So if you want to use your formula, you need to use the mass, charge, and Planck's constant in the cgs units (they are easy to find), and when you get the answer, it will be in the energy units of ergs.

Or you can use the above formula with the numeric value of k=8.99\times 10^9\, \mbox{N m}^2/\mbox{C}^2.

Whichever you use, a really helpful fact to remember is that the ground state of hydrogen E_1 is -13.6 eV.
 


Thanks, so it was the use of SI units that messed me up and I was missing the k^2 altogether. I try it again and see if my answer matches that of the site.
 

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