Engineering Math - Complex Roots and Powers

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around evaluating the expression i3 + i in the form of x + iy, exploring the use of complex numbers, particularly the representation of complex numbers in polar coordinates and the properties of the imaginary unit i. The scope includes homework-related queries, mathematical reasoning, and conceptual clarifications regarding complex roots and powers.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant attempts to evaluate i3 + i and expresses confusion about how the angle π/2 is derived in the context of the complex exponential form.
  • Another participant explains the relationship eiT = cosT + i sinT and sets T = π/2 to show that ei(π/2) = i, questioning the meaning of the r in the polar representation.
  • A different participant discusses the logarithm of i, stating that ln(i) can be expressed in terms of its modulus and argument, leading to a complex logarithmic expression for y = ii.
  • One participant clarifies that r represents the magnitude in the polar coordinate conversion from rectangular coordinates, but expresses uncertainty about its application in the problems they have encountered.
  • Another participant confirms that r is indeed the magnitude and raises a concern about the introduction of r in the context of i, noting that the magnitude of i is unity.
  • Several participants express gratitude for the explanations provided, indicating a collaborative atmosphere in seeking clarity on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions and properties of complex numbers, but there is some confusion regarding the application of r in polar coordinates and how it relates to specific examples. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity of using r in the context of the problems presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the role of r in their specific problems, indicating a potential limitation in their understanding of polar coordinates and its application to complex numbers.

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Homework Statement


Evaluate the following in x+iy form.
i3+i

Homework Equations


i=rei\Theta

The Attempt at a Solution


i=rei\frac{pi}{2}
i3+i = i3*ii
(-i)(ei2\frac{pi}{2})
=-ie-\frac{pi}{2}
=-.2079i

I understand how it all works out except \frac{pi}{2}. I can't figure out how they got \frac{pi}{2} in the first place. Any ideas? Thanks in advance.
 
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My editor won't allow greek letters, so in place of theta I'll use T

You know: eiT=cosT + i.sinT

So let T=Pi/2, so that cosT=0, and we have

ei.Pi/2= i

Q: How do you say in words: rei.theta

I'm wondering what the r is part of?
 
If y= i^i, then ln(y)= i ln(i). Further, i has modulus r= 1 and argument \theta= \pi/2 so that i= e^{i(\pi/2+ 2k\pi)} for k any integer (e^{2k\pi}= 1 for all integer k so these are all different ways of writing i). Then ln(i)= i(\pi/2+ 2k\pi) and so ln(y)= -(\pi/2+ 2k\pi).
 
NascentOxygen said:
My editor won't allow greek letters, so in place of theta I'll use T

You know: eiT=cosT + i.sinT

So let T=Pi/2, so that cosT=0, and we have

ei.Pi/2= i

Q: How do you say in words: rei.theta

I'm wondering what the r is part of?

The r comes from converting x+iy (rectangular coordinates) to polar coordinates.
x+iy=r(cos\Theta+isin\Theta)=rei\Theta
As far as how r is used, I'm unsure. None of the problems I have been given/done have used that r at all.
 
NascentOxygen said:
My editor won't allow greek letters, so in place of theta I'll use T

You know: eiT=cosT + i.sinT

So let T=Pi/2, so that cosT=0, and we have

ei.Pi/2= i

Q: How do you say in words: rei.theta

I'm wondering what the r is part of?

HallsofIvy said:
If y= i^i, then ln(y)= i ln(i). Further, i has modulus r= 1 and argument \theta= \pi/2 so that i= e^{i(\pi/2+ 2k\pi)} for k any integer (e^{2k\pi}= 1 for all integer k so these are all different ways of writing i). Then ln(i)= i(\pi/2+ 2k\pi) and so ln(y)= -(\pi/2+ 2k\pi).

Thank you both for the explanations! You're my heroes.
 
Tonik said:
The r comes from converting x+iy (rectangular coordinates) to polar coordinates.
x+iy=r(cos\Theta+isin\Theta)=rei\Theta
As far as how r is used, I'm unsure. None of the problems I have been given/done have used that r at all.
I guessed that r was the magnitude, but you confused me by introducing it in (3) for i= and I know i has a magnitude of unity. The square root of (cos2 + sin2) is always 1.

I just wanted to make sure "re" wasn't a combination that I am unfamiliar with.

Well, 5.cosT + 5.i.sinT would equal 5.eiT so that's when it's needed.
 
NascentOxygen said:
I guessed that r was the magnitude, but you confused me by introducing it in (3) for i= and I know i has a magnitude of unity. The square root of (cos2 + sin2) is always 1.

I just wanted to make sure "re" wasn't a combination that I am unfamiliar with.

Well, 5.cosT + 5.i.sinT would equal 5.eiT so that's when it's needed.

Yeah, I think you're probably right. Thanks again! :)
 

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