Entangled particle through double slit

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The discussion revolves around the implications of entangled particles passing through a double slit experiment, particularly focusing on the relationship between the detection of left particles and the resulting interference pattern of right particles. Participants explore concepts related to quantum entanglement, delayed choice experiments, and the effects of quantum erasure on observed patterns.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that detecting or collapsing the left particles provides which-path information for the right particles, suggesting that this would eliminate the interference pattern on the screen.
  • Others argue that the timing of the down-conversion of the original photon may affect the outcome, questioning whether it matters if the down-conversion occurs before or after the right particle passes through the slit.
  • It is suggested that a stream of entangled particles does not produce the usual interference effects while still entangled, indicating that the pattern remains unchanged regardless of the observer's actions.
  • Some participants highlight that the usual interference pattern is not observed if the left particles are left alone, but can be observed if the which-path information is quantum erased, implying a connection between the two streams of particles.
  • There is a distinction made between scenarios with and without quantum erasure, with one participant noting that while no obvious interference pattern is seen in the latter, coincidence counting can reveal an interference pattern when quantum erasure is applied.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effects of detecting left particles on the interference pattern of right particles, with no consensus reached on the implications of quantum erasure or the timing of down-conversion.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various scenarios and experiments, including delayed choice experiments and quantum erasure, but the discussion remains complex with unresolved assumptions about the nature of entanglement and measurement outcomes.

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I create 1000 pairs of entangled particles and let them travel very far away.
Then I let the 1000 right particles pass through a double slit experiment.

At the time when the right particle has passed the slit, but not yet hit the screen, I can choose to detect the 1000 left particles. If I detect/collapse the left particles, then I know which path the right particle took? If so, then there is no interference pattern on the screen?

Then I, located where the left particles are in space, can choose what pattern appears on the right particle screen instantaneously? ie faster-than-light.
 
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whoperj said:
I create 1000 pairs of entangled particles and let them travel very far away.
Then I let the 1000 right particles pass through a double slit experiment.

At the time when the right particle has passed the slit, but not yet hit the screen, I can choose to detect the 1000 left particles. If I detect/collapse the left particles, then I know which path the right particle took? If so, then there is no interference pattern on the screen?

Then I, located where the left particles are in space, can choose what pattern appears on the right particle screen instantaneously? ie faster-than-light.
You might want to take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experiment_of_Kim_et_al._.282000.29 - but note carefully how the interference pattern is detected - there's no image formed on a screen.
 
In the delayed choice experiment the original photon is down-converted after it has passed the silt.
In my scenario, the original photon is down-converted way way before the right particle passes the slit. Does that make a difference?
 
whoperj said:
I create 1000 pairs of entangled particles and let them travel very far away.
Then I let the 1000 right particles pass through a double slit experiment.

At the time when the right particle has passed the slit, but not yet hit the screen, I can choose to detect the 1000 left particles. If I detect/collapse the left particles, then I know which path the right particle took? If so, then there is no interference pattern on the screen?

Then I, located where the left particles are in space, can choose what pattern appears on the right particle screen instantaneously? ie faster-than-light.

A stream of entangled particles do not produce the usual interference effects while still entangled. So do whatever you like, the pattern is the same. No interference, and no FTL signalling. See:

http://www.hep.yorku.ca/menary/courses/phys2040/misc/foundations.pdf

Figure 2, S290.
 
My understanding of the linked PDF is that :

the usual interference pattern is NOT observed for the right particles if the left stream of particles are just left alone;
but if the left stream of particles (which-path information) are quantum erased, the the usual interference pattern can be observed for the right side particles.

So in my original scenario:
I, located where the left particles are in space, can choose to erase or not erase the left which-path information, thus choosing what pattern appears on the right particle screen? even if the left particle and right particle are far far apart?
 
whoperj said:
the usual interference pattern is NOT observed for the right particles if the left stream of particles are just left alone;
but if the left stream of particles (which-path information) are quantum erased, the the usual interference pattern can be observed for the right side particles.

So in my original scenario:
I, located where the left particles are in space, can choose to erase or not erase the left which-path information, thus choosing what pattern appears on the right particle screen? even if the left particle and right particle are far far apart?

You are mixing scenarios and their results.

Scenario A, where there is no quantum erasure, produces no interference (as the reference notes).

Scenario B, where there is quantum erasure, produces no obvious interference pattern either. However, by using coincidence counting (results from both sides), an interference pattern can be seen.

By the way, welcome to PhysicsForums!
 

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