Entrainment Coefficient - Dynamics of Fluids

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of the entrainment coefficient in fluid dynamics, particularly in the context of a plume fluid with a higher density than its ambient fluid. Participants explore the physical representation of the entrainment coefficient, its implications in fluid motion, and seek clarification on its definition and formula.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the physical meaning of the entrainment coefficient and how to visualize it in the context of fluid dynamics.
  • Another participant suggests consulting research papers and textbooks as a resource for deeper understanding.
  • A participant references specific research papers related to turbulent plumes and background rotation, indicating they have read them but still seek clarity on the formula for the entrainment coefficient.
  • One participant notes that variable-density turbulence is relevant to the discussion but admits a lack of experience with the specific plume analysis mentioned.
  • A later reply mentions a recent paper on turbulent jets with differing densities, suggesting it may provide useful insights.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the entrainment coefficient, with some seeking clarification while others provide references. No consensus on the definition or formula for the entrainment coefficient is reached.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of variable-density turbulence and the specific conditions of the plume scenario, which may affect the interpretation of the entrainment coefficient. There are unresolved aspects regarding the formula and definition of the coefficient.

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Hi all,

i ask in advance sorry for my bad english, i hope you will understand my question.

I'm studying the motion of a plume fluid in a fluid ambient, with ρ(plume) > ρ(ambient).
Afterwards there si a transport of fluid ambient as an effect of the turbolence caused by the viscosity between the two fluids.
This is, somehow, featured by the Alpha coefficient (entrainment)

My request is: can you explane to me, what physically represent this number? What i have to imagine when i want to figure out the entrainment? which is the formule?

Thank for your time!
 
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This is a rather niche topic within fluid mechanics. Have you tried checking out any relevant research papers or textbooks on the topic?
 
Hi, thanks for your reply! Yes, I did read those:

Effect of Background rotation in turbulent line plumes
http://journals.ametsoc.org/author/Fernando%2C+H+J+S and http://journals.ametsoc.org/author/Ching%2C+C+Y

Development of a point plume in the presence of background rotation
H. J. S. Fernando, R-r. Chen, and B. A. Ayotte

The motion of Turbulent thermal in the presence of background rotation

http://journals.ametsoc.org/author/Ayotte%2C+Barbara+Anne and http://journals.ametsoc.org/author/Fernando%2C+Harindra+J+S

I think i did understand what the entrainment is, but i don't its formula. I mean, i don't know its definition.
 
Variable-density turbulence is an active area of research and is what is occurring in the situation you outline, but the specifics of your plume situation and its related analysis are not something with which I have any experience.

I do know of one recent paper about experiments on turbulent jets with differing densities. I don't know if this work would be relevant directly to what you are doing, but perhaps it could point you in the right direction.

dx.doi.org/10.1017/jfm.2017.379
 
Thank you so much, and thank you for your time, it will help me for sure!
 

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