Velocity of a Cart accelerated by a Jet stream

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This discussion revolves around a fluid dynamics problem involving the velocity of a cart accelerated by a jet stream. The original poster attempts to apply conservation of mass and momentum principles to derive the relationship between the cart's velocity and the jet's characteristics.

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  • Participants discuss the application of conservation laws, the relationship between momentum of the cart and the jet, and the implications of varying mass in the system. Questions are raised about the reliance on conservation of mass alone and the assumptions necessary for the problem.

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Several participants have provided guidance and posed questions to deepen understanding. There is an exploration of coupled differential equations and initial conditions, with some participants expressing uncertainty about solving the equations analytically. The discussion is ongoing, with multiple interpretations and approaches being considered.

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Participants note the absence of numerical values in the problem, which affects the formulation of expressions. There is also mention of the need to account for the mass of the empty cart and its impact on the dynamics being analyzed.

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This is a problem for a fluid dynamics class I'm in. My current approach is to use a conservation of mass approach and say that the d/dt(momentum in the cart) = momentum into the cart. This leads to (u is speed of the cart, V is volume J is jet velocity, A is cross sectional area of the jet)

d/dt(Vρu) = ρ dV/dt J

where the left hand term represents the derivative of the current momentum of the cart, and the right hand term represents to momentum flux into the cart.

I found that the rate at which water from the jet enters the cart will be

dV/dt = A (J-u), i.e. the faster the cart is going the less water that actually enters it. Going back, and cancelling density,

d/dt(Vu) = dV/dt J
V' u + u' V = V' J, where prime is a time derivative.
u' = V'(J-u)/V

a = u' = A (J-u)^2/V

but I can't proceed from here. Not only is the differential equation nonlinear, but the volume in the denominator will be an integral depending on u,

V(t) = Vo + ∫(0 to t) V'(τ)dτ = Vo + A J t - A∫(0 to t) u(τ)dτ

Since I couldn't solve it analytically I used numerical integration to get the u vs t curve and it looks as you'd suspect, with asymptotic behavior near u=J

My question is whether or not there is a symbolic answer, and if so how is it obtained?
 
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Hi Will. Thanks for your interest. Here is I found out, shortly after joining this site. The questioners are expected to pose what they know about the problem, and any attempts at a solution. Then people will offer guidance to help the asker along and gain further understanding.

Do you understand what laws would be applicable to this type of problem? I noticed that you tagged it with momentum. What can you say about the momentum of the cart? Momentum of the water?

Since there are not any numbers, you will have an answer as an expression with a bunch of variables. What assumptions will you need to make? I hope this helps you get started.
 
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scottdave said:
Hi Will. Thanks for your interest. Here is I found out, shortly after joining this site. The questioners are expected to pose what they know about the problem, and any attempts at a solution. Then people will offer guidance to help the asker along and gain further understanding.

Do you understand what laws would be applicable to this type of problem? I noticed that you tagged it with momentum. What can you say about the momentum of the cart? Momentum of the water?

Since there are not any numbers, you will have an answer as an expression with a bunch of variables. What assumptions will you need to make? I hope this helps you get started.
I'm new here, updated the post
 
Is there any reason you decided to rely solely on conservation of mass for a problem involving forces and acceleration?
 
I like everything you did. So now you have two coupled differential equations

V' = Ak
k' = -A k2/V

And you know the initial conditions: V0 = 0 and k0 =J

What do you get when you integrate V'?
 
boneh3ad said:
Is there any reason you decided to rely solely on conservation of mass for a problem involving forces and acceleration?

I used a conservation of mass approach (we are covering the momentum tensor in my continuum mechanics class right now and I am quite sure this is the approach eh wanted us to use). The conservation of mass only plays a role since the mass of the cart varies with time.
 
Cutter Ketch said:
I like everything you did. So now you have two coupled differential equations

V' = Ak
k' = -A k2/V

And you know the initial conditions: V0 = 0 and k0 =J

What do you get when you integrate V'?

this is exactly where I am stuck. If i try to integrate V the expression involves an integral of k,

V(t) = Vo + A ∫(0 to t) k dτ

but I don't see how that helps. I did try doing something along the lines of

V'' = A k'

k' =V''/A ,
k' = -A k2 /V

V''/A = -A k2 /V

V'' = -A2k2/V
V * V'' = V'2

but this is nonlinear and not easy to solve.

I threw your coupled diff eqs into wolfram alpha and they game me fairly simple analytic solutions though. using the same IC's I used when i numerically integrated it also gave me the same results. I am just unsure how to solve these Diff Eqs
 
Shouldn't you allow for the fact that the empty cart has some mass?
 
TSny said:
Shouldn't you allow for the fact that the empty cart has some mass?

This can be accounted for by having an initial condition that allows for the initial volume of the fluid to have the same mass of the cart.

i.e. if it said "the initial mass of the cart and water at time 0 is 100 lbs..." you could set Vo = 100lbs/(density of water). We treat the IC as cart of mass 0 and initial water of mass 100 lbs, which has the same effect.
 
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OK. Sounds good.

Note that you can integrate d/dt(Vu) = dV/dt J immediately. ("Cancel" the dt on each side.)
Use the result to help solve dV/dt = A (J-u).
 
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TSny said:
OK. Sounds good.

Note that you can integrate d/dt(Vu) = dV/dt J immediately. ("Cancel" the dt on each side.)
Use the result to help solve dV/dt = A (J-u).
Yes I think that could be the key, right there.
 

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